Finn origins

Originally posted by pebbles   I meant dual-racial origins.Is it possible that there exists such race or ethnity in that region of present day northern Russia ?! Case in point,people of India sub-continent are extreme dark-complexioned Caucasoid looking but racially identified as Asian.Some males are very hairy.   Uralic individuals have kinda exotic distinctive " Eurasian " looks,not quite the same as Amerasians or mestizos.

You musn't think of the human species as divided into clear-cut "races".
All the phenotypes we perceive are a combination of many genes.

The shape of the eyes are from one gene, the texture of hair another, the shape of the nose another, the skin color is controlled again by a different gene.... etc.

different peoples from different parts of the world have a distinct combination of certain genes that determine their phenotype. This is why there is no "absolute" way into dividing mankind into categories.
If you divide by skin color; then Europeans and East Asians would be in one group and Indians and Africans into another.
If you divide by nose shape; then Europeans, West Asians, Horn Africans, and Central Asians (Kazakhs, Kyrgyz) would be one group; while East Asians and West Africans would belong to another....
By eye shape, then East Asians, Central Asians, and some Africans would be classed as one group while Europeans, West Asians, South East Asians, and other Africans would be classed as another.....
If you divide by "beard growth", then Europeans, west Asians, and Japanese would be in one group.
If you divide by blood type, then all those with type A would be in one group, B in another, 0 in another etc....

The Uralian peoples, for the combination of genes that they inherited, have some features that belong to North and Central Asians while others that belong to Europeans; which isn't surprising.
They look different to Eurasians in the USA because the Eurasian mixture in the U.S. is only 1-2 generations old while the combination of genes inherited by the Uralian and Altaic peoples are a few thousand years old at least.

Human beings originally came from Africa, therefore almost all of the facial features we see among the peoples of the world can be found within Africans (with exception to skin colour, which came from a later mutation).
Check out these photos:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1009352@N20/pool/

Look at the faces of these African women, and you'll see that they contain almost all the distinct facial features in the rest of the world.
You'll see oriental eyes, round eyes, high cheekbones, low cheekbones, big noses, small noses, narrow faces, wide faces......
All the facial features of the peoples around the world come from a combination of the various features observed among Africans.

There has been contribution of Mongoloid people to the  Eastern European population both during pre-history and during the 4BCE to onward to the Medieval Times. Of course even the indegenous  cultures of Europe have some relation to the  Central Asian nomads the Teutonic tribes such as the Alans have some roots on the steppes of asia.They migrated to Northern Europe in the 1st millenia BC However they seem to be Nordicized in the time spent there,intermixing with the Parthians and Scythians as they moved Northwest past the Volga and pass the Uraltic Region as they drifted to the Danube and westward into Proper Europe


I'm not certain on how populated Europe was during the first Millenia   BCE and 1st First Millenia AD but the Teutonic tribes drifted southwards from Scandanavia and Finland as a result of flooding in the Noth region. This would bring the Nordic elements to the EUropean populations intermixing with the Celtic and Gaulic tribes.

During the Han dynasty the alot of tribes were exhiled pushed westward as the ancient china became bigger. Tribes such as the Huns,Tartars,and Tocharians. One other tribe was able to establish an a state such as the Goturks who were proto-Turks having  moved towards the West. Others more to the North of China during Tang Dynasties such as the Finns Magyars went moved westward toward eastern Europe. Some occupied the Baltic others went and circled in the other direction of  the Caspian sea


Edited by AksumVanguard - 15-Apr-2009 at 16:23

Can some fellow European forumites here shed light on squabble between Swedish and Finnish in real life and cyberspace ?!

Originally posted by Sarmat     Some Finns have negative feelings about Swedes of course   Finland has a sound Swedish ethnic minority which is feeling itself complitely safe

Originally posted by calvo     Wasn't Finland a part of Russia?

Originally posted by pebbles     Why ?  Swedish still have imperial attitudes toward the Finns ?

Originally posted by Sarmat     Originally posted by pebbles     Just a thought,the Finns must have always been a backward people until recent years ?!     I don't understand what you mean here. And please be very careful cause what you wrote looks like a violation of All Empires CoC.

Edited by pebbles - 15-Apr-2009 at 19:38

Originally posted by Cryptic Originally posted by Sarmat Finns didn't even serve in the Russian army during WWI. I am pretty sure that General Mannerheim and other senior Finnish officers served in the Russian Imperial Army. Perhaps service in the Czarist armed forces was not mandatory for Finns, but some Finns volunteered to serve.

Originally posted by pebbles   I didn't mean to describe the Finns in a condescending manner.What I've been reading,a handful ( online ) nationalistic Swedes repeatedly wrote Sweden civilized indigenous Finns by established the " Western " institutions.Sometimes,they would refer Finns as Northern Asian people have little in common and little genetic tie with purest Germanic Swedes.

Ugric, Samoyed, and Turco-Mongol people of Siberia don't like to be called "East Asians" because they are not. Their habitat is in "north Asia" rather than "East Asia".
I'd doubt that they reject they are "Mongoloid" because they mostly are. Even many ethnic Russians and Hungarians admit to having "Mongoloid features".

Culturally, Khanti, Mansi, and Nenets have too little in common with China or Japan, just as Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are "Central Asians" with little in common culturally with East Asia.

The same way, Spain and Portugal could be described as "southern Europe" or "western Europe" geographically. Although most Iberians would identify far more culturally with "Southern Europe" than with "Western Europe". This doesn't imply that we reject being "western European".