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AksumVanguard
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Topic: 10 greatest presidents Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 01:03 |
Originally posted by Parnell
Aksum, Johnson was a democrat. And Bush clearly issued a series of stimulus packages. And both of you need to read a little history, since basic facts and hagiography are thrown into a package, missing the complexity.
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Was Bush really intent on making the stimulus packages work. Its seems it was too late before he they came into play.
Originally posted by es_bih
Both of you Aksum and Tran need to calm down a little bit and take Parnell's advice.
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Listen I'm sorry if I came off a bit harsh, but how I am I going over board,I did not initiate any political incorrect motivated remarks. Tran,ES Bih Parnell and I was only trying to convey my point,I would't say Obama sent underlying racial insignia but what we can both agree on Trans is that he pressed buttons.
Edited by AksumVanguard - 06-Mar-2009 at 17:08
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 08:52 |
Originally posted by Red4tribe
Yikes this went somewhere I didn't intend it to.
Anyway, the survey is over, I managed to get 130 people to make their lists and these are the results.
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy R
6. Reagan
7. Truman
8. Jackson
9. Eisenhower
10. Wilson
And if you would like to keep on going
11. Polk
12. JFK
13. Monroe
14. Clinton
15. Madison
Beyond that I can't consider this list accurate since I asked only for the top ten presidents. Thoughts on the results? |
Eisenhower was a good president, but hardly top ten material? And it amazes me John Adams isn't on that list and that Jefferson isn't considered the greatest??? The man practically wrote the constitution, doubled the size of the country and kept the flame of liberty alive during Adams Aliens and Sedition act... (I'm not getting dragged into the 'he owned slaves, how can he be a man of liberty' debate)
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 17:02 |
Originally posted by Parnell
Originally posted by Red4tribe
Yikes this went somewhere I didn't intend it to.
Anyway, the survey is over, I managed to get 130 people to make their lists and these are the results.
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy R
6. Reagan
7. Truman
8. Jackson
9. Eisenhower
10. Wilson
And if you would like to keep on going
11. Polk
12. JFK
13. Monroe
14. Clinton
15. Madison
Beyond that I can't consider this list accurate since I asked only for the top ten presidents. Thoughts on the results? |
Eisenhower was a good president, but hardly top ten material? And it amazes me John Adams isn't on that list and that Jefferson isn't considered the greatest??? The man practically wrote the constitution, doubled the size of the country and kept the flame of liberty alive during Adams Aliens and Sedition act... (I'm not getting dragged into the 'he owned slaves, how can he be a man of liberty' debate) |
Actually Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, Madison was the father of the Constitution.
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 18:05 |
Originally posted by Parnell
Aksum, Johnson was a democrat. And Bush clearly issued a series of stimulus packages. And both of you need to read a little history, since basic facts and hagiography are thrown into a package, missing the complexity.
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By the way,how do you figure to give advice on some smalll technicality doesn't really matter when I am trying to get a point across. I'm focusing on individulas legacy to national matters not political analysis.
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 19:02 |
Originally posted by Red4tribe
Originally posted by Parnell
Originally posted by Red4tribe
Yikes this went somewhere I didn't intend it to.
Anyway, the survey is over, I managed to get 130 people to make their lists and these are the results.
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy R
6. Reagan
7. Truman
8. Jackson
9. Eisenhower
10. Wilson
And if you would like to keep on going
11. Polk
12. JFK
13. Monroe
14. Clinton
15. Madison
Beyond that I can't consider this list accurate since I asked only for the top ten presidents. Thoughts on the results? |
Eisenhower was a good president, but hardly top ten material? And it amazes me John Adams isn't on that list and that Jefferson isn't considered the greatest??? The man practically wrote the constitution, doubled the size of the country and kept the flame of liberty alive during Adams Aliens and Sedition act... (I'm not getting dragged into the 'he owned slaves, how can he be a man of liberty' debate) |
Actually Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, Madison was the father of the Constitution. |
You are of course correct, that was something of a mistype.
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 19:13 |
Originally posted by Red4tribe
Yikes this went somewhere I didn't intend it to.
Anyway, the survey is over, I managed to get 130 people to make their lists and these are the results.
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy R
6. Reagan
7. Truman
8. Jackson
9. Eisenhower
10. Wilson
And if you would like to keep on going
11. Polk
12. JFK
13. Monroe
14. Clinton
15. Madison
Beyond that I can't consider this list accurate since I asked only for the top ten presidents. Thoughts on the results? |
Marilyn only came 13th? Between JFK and Clinton I notice.
Reagan is of course not unexpectedly up there. Maybe some day people will learn.
Meanwhile CNN International just ran a poll world-wide for the greatest American hero (excluding Obama). Jimmy Carter won.
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 20:24 |
Probably his rejection of the typical american dogma that the world is black and white AKA - his efforts in Palestine.
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 21:13 |
Originally posted by Parnell
Originally posted by Red4tribe
Yikes this went somewhere I didn't intend it to.
Anyway, the survey is over, I managed to get 130 people to make their lists and these are the results.
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy R
6. Reagan
7. Truman
8. Jackson
9. Eisenhower
10. Wilson
And if you would like to keep on going
11. Polk
12. JFK
13. Monroe
14. Clinton
15. Madison
Beyond that I can't consider this list accurate since I asked only for the top ten presidents. Thoughts on the results? |
Eisenhower was a good president, but hardly top ten material? And it amazes me John Adams isn't on that list and that Jefferson isn't considered the greatest??? The man practically wrote the constitution, doubled the size of the country and kept the flame of liberty alive during Adams Aliens and Sedition act... (I'm not getting dragged into the 'he owned slaves, how can he be a man of liberty' debate) |
Same here. Jefferson was the idealist that perpetuated liberty into the post-colonial world; also he was able to provide a decent dose of criticism against ultra-federalists. Adams was more of a realist, with understanding that political idealism had to be actualized through certain means. He also saw a sense in establishing certain Federal powers for the sake of preserving and expanding the Union's prosperity. Yes he had his indecisive feats, but Washington did, too. Washington's war-time conduct is largely responsible for his status as number one rather than his office years.
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 21:53 |
I really like Teddy Roosevelt and of course his famous policy- speak softly but carry a big stick.
Lincoln will always be on the top but he did suspend parts of the Constitution during the war between the states but it was war. "The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History."
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Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 22:08 |
Bush did, too. His whole power trip is about his "unlimited" power as Commander in Chief during war-time.
Don't necessarily agree with either of them.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 23:21 |
What about Benjamin Franklin? I think he must be in the first place.
Edited by HungryWolf - 15-Mar-2009 at 23:25
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Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 23:33 |
Originally posted by HungryWolf
What about Benjamin Franklin? I think he must be in the first place.
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Ben Franklin wasn't a president, but the funny part is that he's on the hundred dollar bill
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Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 23:54 |
really funny, but he was a great person is he the one non-president who is on dollar? :)
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Posted: 18-Mar-2009 at 11:17 |
Originally posted by HungryWolf
really funny, but he was a great person
is he the one non-president who is on dollar? :) |
Hamilton is on the $10.
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Posted: 18-Mar-2009 at 19:12 |
Originally posted by gcle2003
Marilyn only came 13th? Between JFK and Clinton I notice.
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Ohh... i am soooo tempted.
Meanwhile CNN International just ran a poll world-wide for the greatest American hero (excluding Obama). Jimmy Carter won. | All political kidding aside, Jimmy Carter is a really nice guy. It's a shame that he is more well know for his post presidency career, than anything substantial he had done during it.
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Posted: 25-Mar-2009 at 17:18 |
What, no love for Mckinley?
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Posted: 29-Mar-2009 at 03:38 |
McKinley was not a bad president, I disagree with a few things he did especially his handling of the Philippines but he could have done much worse.
The reason a lot of people over look him is because of the man who took office after he died, one of my favs TR.
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Posted: 29-Mar-2009 at 07:47 |
1. GWB 2. Washington 3. Lincoln 4. Jefferson
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Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 15:24 |
1. Washington
2. Lincoln
3. TR
4. FDR
5. William Harrison lol... cm'on He could have done a lot if he lived more than a month...
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Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 15:25 |
1. Washington
2. Lincoln
3. TR
4. FDR
5. Jefferson
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