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    Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 21:40
I understand the word "stan" means land...I.E. "Kazahkstan"...land of the Kazakhs...Can anyone tell me what language it is from?
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 21:42
Persian, literaly means 'place' IIRC.
In some contexts, grammer demands it become i-stan, eg. Afghan- Afghanistan, or at least something like that i think.
Best to wait for a Persian speaker i guess.

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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 00:38
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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 02:08

Originally posted by Cywr

Persian, literaly means 'place' IIRC.
In some contexts, grammer demands it become i-stan, eg. Afghan- Afghanistan, or at least something like that i think.
Best to wait for a Persian speaker i guess.

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Nice. In Swedish stad, in it's determined form 'staden' shortened 'stan', originally meant place too. Now it means city, of all things.

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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 02:25
Exactly the same as Dutch then, at least the word stad for town/city.
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  Quote Dari Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 02:44
There's those damn fabled IE connections. Damn Indo-Iranians.


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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 08:11

in Persian it's actually 'Ostan'. German, 'stadt'

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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 08:46
Ostan = city ?
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 08:53

No, I was just adding that 'stadt' was the German among the lot. Maybe I should have structured better.

Ostan transliterates to region from Modern Persian.

Kord[o]stan, Tajik[o]stan et al, the change of vowels will be regional variations of the o.

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 09:58

Bimar=Sick -> Bimarestan=Hospital
Gur=Grave -> Gurestan=Cemetery
Zam=Cold -> Zamestan=Winter
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ast=is, ist=stop, est=stay, istad=stand, ...

Astan = ast+an = is there! or Istan = ist+an = locates there!

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 10:12

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

....Zam=Cold -> Zamestan=Winter
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Hm..cold.... That's what Zam Zam Cola means!

By any chance, is Zam a Persian or Arabic word? I heard there's a sacred muslim well in Saudi Arabia that's called Zam..?



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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 16:32

Yes, -(i)stn means "Land of ..." in Persian (example: Trkistn/Torkestn means "Land of Turks").

That weel in Mecca is called Zamzam (Zemzem).

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  Quote demon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 19:42
Burg as in Gettysburg-- that burg means city in german I think
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Aug-2004 at 16:07

No, berg, burgh, borough, on the end of various city names does not mean city.  It indicates that the city is built around a castle or has a castle.

 

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2004 at 18:22
Your question is already answered, so I can only add extra information. -estn/-istn is from the root of "es" and its use in Iranian nouns or verbs varies from the meaning of "standing" to "existing", "to be".

an example:
Iranian: ast
French: est
Greman: ist
English: is

If you and anyone esle is interested in etymology check here:
http://www.geocities.com/indoeurop/project/phonetics/word23. html


BTW, about the German "burg", there's a similar word in Iranian; "borg" which later turned into "borj". It means tower/fortified structure.


And about zam... besides coldness, there's the Iranian word zamin/zemin" (earth) derived from this root. It's similar to Polish zimny, zima, ziemia (coldness, winter, earth) and the Latvian word zemi (earth). Slavic people could probably add more (and correct me, if I'm mistaken).
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2004 at 14:16

Date in English means a day or year when a given (dat in Persian) event occured, the land of these dates is the old Persian word Datestan (Modern Persian Dastan) which means story or history.

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  Quote Rava Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2004 at 15:52

In the old Polish stan meant government, country (in political term), also social class. There are some old cities like Biaogard and Starogard in Poland bearing suffics -gard remaining an old iranian topoformant. Interesting, -gard varies from usual Polish form -grd.

In "To the Questions of Origin of the Name Hashimgird" S. Kamoliddin wrote:

"The forming word -gird (with the variants -gard, -kard, -kird, -kirt, -jird) has been belonged to before Islamic toponymic layer of the Western Iranian circle of place names, and was widespread on the territory of Iran and Transcaucasia as in ancient times, as in early medieval ages. On the territory of Central Asia it has been brought and spread mainly in the Southern regions of Central Asia - Northern Khorasan and Tokharistan."

 

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 10:09

Anyway Poland was the land of Sarmatians in a period!

Gard (Avestan Varet) = turn, revolve (Velgard=Vagrant, Doregard=Pedlar)

Gard (Pahlavi Garta) = Dust, Powder

Gerd (Pahlavi Girt) = Cirlce

But the suffix "-gerd" (Parthian Kart, Old Persian Krata , Arabicized Jerd) which forms place names, means "built" or "constructed". For example the famous city of Borujerd in Loristan province was a Parthian city which was built by Orodes, in Parthian sources it has been mentioned as "Orud-kart" (built by Orodes) and in Sassanid sources as "Vorugerd".

There are many cities in Iran with this suffix such as Susangerd in Khuzestan, Darabgerd in Fars, Dastgerd in Isfahan, ...

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 16:56
Yes, Ordu (Orda in Mongolian) was an Old Turkic word meaning Military Camp, I think it was recorded in Han Dynasty sources as a Xiongnu word.
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 17:25

Burg as in Gettysburg-- that burg means city in german I think

Zagros is technically right, but in america a burg is an ending to a city. Like I lived in a place called Lawrenceburg (which had no castle). It seems to be an ending that just became synonomous with town when all the german immigrants came over.

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