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AksumVanguard
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Topic: Islam Science Mostly Chinese Science Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 06:31 |
I was wondering how much inventions and scientific discoveries did Islam take from China. It is known that the gunpowder was used by the the Ottomans Turks,and they were able to defeat different Islamic Dynasties because of it . We know about the printing press & paper,tea,ballistic missiles and Fireworks. I know about the great Islamic inventors such as Al Jazari and Geber.
We know the Mughal dynasty was in close proximity of China but the most effect transport chain to intertwine both knowledges would be the Mongolian Khans to adopt Islam. They great mail carrier system .It is even said the Bubonic Plague was brought back from the far east but Europe bore the brunt of it, whilst Islamic Territories were able to purge it because of their advancements in medicine. It seems Islamic Scientice and Alchemy have adopted alot from Ancient Chinese knowledge.
How much of Islam Science is derived from Chinese Science?
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Voskhod
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Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 08:53 |
Paper, the compass, gunpowder, printing press, etc were all originally Chinese. However, it's not surprising considering the trade and exchange of information and ideas along trade routes between Islamic lands, India, China and Europe. Every culture adopted something from other cultures, and then developed it in their own way.
By the way, the Black Death is thought to have originally started in Burma, and Mongol troops and merchants carried it along the Silk Road to Europe. It's not just in Europe that it had an effect though - China's population was roughly halved. Islamic doctors might have learned to quarantined patients I'm not sure but it seemed Egypt's population nevertheless fell by up to 40% due to the Black Death. It's hard to deal with something like the plague.
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Reginmund
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Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 09:43 |
"Islamic science" is a convenient term but it's really a misnomer.
The Caliphates passed on knowledge brought to them from the east, but its intellectuals also made discoveries of their own in many fields, particularly navigation, optics, medicine, math and astronomy.
Edited by Reginmund - 02-Feb-2009 at 09:43
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Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 11:38 |
Medieval Islamic science was mainly rooted in Greek science, plus some apportations of Indian mathematics -which in turn also were based on Greek science. New developments, like Algebra, Trigonometry and Alhazen`s optics, developed along the same Greek lines.
Chinese contributed in technology rather than science, with the exception of the "Pascal" triangle, that was probably of chinese origin.
Believing Arabs only collected science in the conquered lands to distributed elsewere is naive. There was some very interesting original developments in theirs civilization too, which is interesting to study.
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Sarmat
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Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 15:19 |
I agree with Pinguin that the Islamic Schience was mostly built on the achievements of the Classical Antiquity.
Chinese science hasn't infulenced it much. Yes, Muslims used Chinese inventions, but they didn't use theoretical tractates by the Chinese scientists.
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arze
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Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 23:55 |
arabs saved the science when europeans were burning their books. Arabs also made a lot of things better
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Akolouthos
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Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 00:56 |
Originally posted by arze
arabs saved the science when europeans were burning their books. Arabs also made a lot of things better |
How wonderful for them. Now would you care to make a contribution?
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Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 01:14 |
Too late
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Akolouthos
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Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 03:51 |
Originally posted by es_bih
Too late |
Oh. I suppose that's rather poor form on my part.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 at 08:25 |
The important point missing here is China and Islam world had crossed cultural and technological know-how influences,not one way.
Indeed,China civilization contributed some marvelous inventions in antiquity along with great cultures of Middle East India Greece Rome
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Posted: 14-Mar-2009 at 00:17 |
Of course. Influences came and go. Just an example is in the books. For instance, printing and paper making was developed in East Asia and China. But the format of the book (not in a roll as in the ancient times, but leaves bind together one in top of the other) was a Western invention that spread to Asia all the way to China. Globalization in action.
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