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Arekushii 
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 Topic: About Russian language: its difficultiesPosted: 27-Jan-2009 at 19:48 |
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So I wonder what do you think about it, what are/is the most difficult field/-s in this language to study? Personally I think silent consonants are the most wicked along with reduced vowels
молоко(milk) for instance, you won't pronounce it like moh-loh-koh; солнце(sun) - soh - ntseh (e vowel is similiar to English schwa). Now say your ideas  |
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Sarmat
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Posted: 27-Jan-2009 at 21:38 |
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Unfortunately, there are not too many people that study Russian here.
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Suren
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Posted: 28-Jan-2009 at 08:59 |
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Previet Sarmat! Kag dila?
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Arekushii
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Posted: 28-Jan-2009 at 13:05 |
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Sarmat how sad :( then time for them to do it? :P
Anyway if you have some questions related to this wonderful language please don't hesitate and ask :p Btw it's - priv(j)et ~ привет (hello, hi) kak dela? ~ как дела? (how do you do/how're you?) second is written in a cyrillic script Edited by Arekushii - 28-Jan-2009 at 13:09 |
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gcle2003
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Posted: 28-Jan-2009 at 13:31 |
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It must depend what language you're coming from, and sometimes even which dialect. Dark 'l's are easier for people with natural Wessex accents than for people with standard (BBC we used to call it) English accents. As far as pronunciation is concerned I'd say the distinction between the hard and soft consonants is the hardest to get right.
Grammatically though the most difficult for someone not from another Slav country must be the verb aspects, especially with the multiplicity of, e.g., perfectives correspomdomg to an imperfectiive, like "pisat'" gives "popisat'", "napisat'", "zapisat'", "opisat'" etc, each of which has its own meaning, and can then have a further imperfective like "'opisyvat'"....
Somewhat like the difficulties phrasal verbs give people from many other backgrounds learning English. Edited by gcle2003 - 28-Jan-2009 at 13:32 |
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Sarmat
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Posted: 28-Jan-2009 at 13:45 |
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Privet Suren !
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Arekushii
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Posted: 30-Jan-2009 at 11:58 |
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gcle2003 You also forgot to mention semantic properties of words like delaj and sdelaj (in english it's just "do"), but overall, if there're normal language schools with normal teachers it's rather easy to acquire 2nd or 3rd language skills. It just takes time to get used to things, common in Russian, like inversions na poljane krasivoj derevo raslo (inversion, while normal sentence: na krasivoj poljane raslo derevo) - A tree was growing in a beautiful meadow; and stuff like that :p
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Sarmat
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Posted: 30-Jan-2009 at 17:13 |
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I believe this is a grammatic influence of Uralo-Altaic languages. Including Finno-Ugrian ones  .Edited by Sarmat - 30-Jan-2009 at 17:14 |
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Arekushii
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Posted: 31-Jan-2009 at 11:52 |
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Awesome, Russian's a Finno_ugric language now. Seriously stop relating everything to F-U.. I haven't studied the history of Russian language, but surely that is a nonsense.. Old Bulgarian was heavily modified in Russia so the nowaday variant of it can be called Modern Russian while Old Bulgarian - Church Slavonic.
Anyway if no one knows what to say, please close this topic, or just try ask something if it's unclear  |
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gcle2003
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It's common in English, though it sounds poetic.
"In the beautiful meadow a tree grew", "In the beautiful meadow (there) grew a tree", "There grew in the beautiful meadow a tree", "There grew a tree in the beautiful meadow" are all perfectly acceptable English, usually because the speaker is trying for a specific effect.
And of course you could put it any way around that you like in Latin.
So with regard to difficulty you have to state what language you are coming from.
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Styrbiorn
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In what IE language can you not do these things? I can thing of at least four ways to reshuffle that in Swedish. The infernal verb aspect is the biggest problem with Slavic languages. The many cases are annoying in the beginning, but once you've learned them they aren't that big a problem. You can always claim your teacher was from some remote village if you make mistakes with them. Edited by Styrbiorn - 03-Feb-2009 at 08:13 |
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gcle2003
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Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 10:41 |
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I've worn out that excuse in Germany
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Sarmat
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I didn't say that Russian is a Finno-Ugric language. of course it's Indo_european and Slavic. But I don't understand why it makes you so angry if Finnish and Turkic elements are present there? You need to study the history of the language indeed.
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Slayertplsko
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Posted: 14-Feb-2009 at 17:19 |
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This is pretty much the same problem foreign learners have with the English phrasal verbs: very natural to a native speaker, yet an incomprehensible mystery for a foreign learner. Those prefixes all have their meaning, just like those prepositions/adverbs added to verbs in English, or those German collocations like ''entschuldigen sich fuer'' etc. As far as I know, there is no effort to teach the students to work out the meanings of the aforementioned, whether one is learning English, Russian, German, Polish or whichever language it is - perhaps it's a mistake? Edited by Slayertplsko - 14-Feb-2009 at 17:20 |
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gcle2003
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Posted: 14-Feb-2009 at 18:27 |
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'Aforementioned' is a good example to start with. You can't say 'beforementioned' but you have to say 'mentioned before' not 'mentioned afore' without sounding like someone trying to imitate a character from Treasure Island
It's something you just have to put up with....
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edgewaters
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Posted: 14-Feb-2009 at 19:17 |
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Lol. Yarr, hearken now to me tale of the meanings mentioned afore, ye puling whelps!! Talk Like a Pirate Day must be a nightmare for ESL students ... Is there anything like pirate-talk in Russian? Edited by edgewaters - 14-Feb-2009 at 19:24 |
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Slayertplsko
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Posted: 14-Feb-2009 at 19:24 |
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about, I haven't seen the movie. |
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edgewaters
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Posted: 14-Feb-2009 at 19:27 |
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Pirate talk is sort of a literary device in English, based on archaic language. It's how fictional pirates like Long John Silver talk in books and film.
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Slayertplsko
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Posted: 14-Feb-2009 at 19:29 |
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Aha, I see. Just out of interest, which movie was it? Perhaps I could get the DVD.
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edgewaters
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Posted: 14-Feb-2009 at 19:37 |
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Wow ... there's a Soviet version of Treasure Island??? That's what I want to know ... in Russian, is pirate-talk possible? Slayer, I think they talk funny in all of those films. The most well-known version is probably the 1950 film. |
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