Crowns in different cultures

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Persian Crown: The 300 years old throne in the background is studded with an array of some 26,733 precious gems - mostly rubies, emeralds and diamonds. Do you know what it is:

Cyrus, is that the Peacock throne that Nadir Shah captured from India? (Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a bit fuzzy on this one) 

I have one example:
Perhaps you know Reinhard Heydrich - Reichsprotektor of Protektorat B�hmen und Mahren(the remnant of Czechoslovakia occupied by germans during WWII.).He was real head of Czech lands during WWII. - one day in 1941 he came to St Vitus Cathedral where czech Coronation jewels are kept - and he required these jewels - after the guards brought them, Heydrich took the crown and put it on his disgusting head - he knew the legend about our crown - for all that he did it.
After 10 months two czechoslovak parachutist (Kubi� and Gab��k) killed. Heydrich was the most important German assassinated in occupied countries - and thus these two parachutist fulfilled the legend. Daredevil war criminal was punished

Sorry, once more

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There is also legend connected with our coronation jewels: it says that every adverse user(it means everyone who is not king - and therefore is not alowed to wear them) would die during next year after puting them on his head.
I hope you will understand it

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Originally posted by Raider  I heard that Stephen Bathory was/is rather popular in Poland. I have a book "Polish legends and historical stories". In this book he is the main character of some folk stories.

Bathory was a strong and ckever king and knew how to deal with nobles. Came to history as one of the best kings Poland ever had, even if his reign was only 10 years long.

Originally posted by Mosquito Did he also sent crown to Habsburgs?

Ferdinand Habsburg had already been crowned with the Holy Crown that time. After the battle of Moh�cs the Holy Crown was in the possession of king John, but it was seized by Ferdinand because Per�nyi the leader of the Crown Guard defected to him.  In December Ferdinand was also crowned. In 1529 Per�nyi was captured by the ottomans, and the sultan gave the crown to king John. His infant son John II. was also crowned with it, but in 1551 the queen mother gave it to Ferdinand.

The crown which was sent to Poland was only a jewel. In the medieval Hungary the king must be crowned with the Holy Crown, by the archbishop of Esztergom and in the Sz�kesfeh�rv�r cathedral.

Originally posted by Mosquito In Poland after death of Jagiellons Habsburgs also tried to get polish crown but failed. Altough they had many supporters and there was a big risk of civil war, everything ended well. Dissapointed archduke - cadidate to throne took 10.000 soldiers and marched on Cracow. In responce chancellor Jan Zamoyski attacked him with the army of similar size, crushed the austrians, imprisoned the archduke and occupied part of Habsburg territory. Finally instead of Habsburg archduke, Poles elected hungarian prince Stephen Bathory.

I heard that Stephen Bathory was/is rather popular in Poland. I have a book "Polish legends and historical stories". In this book he is the main character of some folk stories.

 

Originally posted by Raider He made a similar agreement with the Habsburgs, but finally he wanted his son to the throne. By the way the Habsburg relation was supported by many Hungarians. This was the cause of the civil war.

Did he also sent crown to Habsburgs?

In Poland after death of Jagiellons Habsburgs also tried to get polish crown but failed. Altough they had many supporters and there was a big risk of civil war, everything ended well. Dissapointed archduke - cadidate to throne took 10.000 soldiers and marched on Cracow. In responce chancellor Jan Zamoyski attacked him with the army of similar size, crushed the austrians, imprisoned the archduke and occupied part of Habsburg territory. Finally instead of Habsburg archduke, Poles elected hungarian prince Stephen Bathory.

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Originally posted by Raider It is really interesting. Why would have Z�polya sent a crown to Poland? His wife was a polish pricess. Is it possible that this crown is a ceremonial gift to his father-in-law?

Because his will was that in case of his death Hungary should join to Poland or one of the Jagiellon princes should become the king. He and Hungarians just didnt want Hapsburgs on the hungarian throne. In result, to avoid the war, Poland and Empire signed treaty for suriviving and as usually such treaties were being won by Hapsburgs who were use to live longer and have more kids than members of other dynasties. As you know the last of the Jagiellons also died in the 16th century.

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Originally posted by Raider Mosquito: Well This crown has an extraorinary importance, so it was always guarded very well. It was such a strong safekeeping that till 1978 the crown itself was never examined by historians or other experts. (It was an attempt in the 1930s, but the govenment feared that the Holy Crown has a german origin, so it was cancelled.) Other Hungarian Crowns

Well, our crowns were also very well guarded. But Poland lost independence in 1795 and Cracow was occupied by Prussians who robbed royal treasure.

Looks like Turkish sultan was more civilised than Prussian king because he gave you your hungarian crown back.

As i said between those lost crowns was also one crown of Hungary. I think Zapolya sent it to Poland. Prussians also destroyed that one. As well as they destroyed swedish crown. I think iv read in the past that there was also the crown of Russia, which belonged to king Wladislaw IV when he was crowned a tsar of Russia.

From our regalia only the ceremonial sword of polish kings from 11th century survived (the name of sword is Szczerbiec).

 

Mosquito:

Well This crown has an extraorinary importance, so it was always guarded very well. It was such a strong safekeeping that till 1978 the crown itself was never examined by historians or other experts. (It was an attempt in the 1930s, but the govenment feared that the Holy Crown has a german origin, so it was cancelled.)

Other Hungarian Crowns:

The Monomachos - crown. Probably this crown was used till the making of the Holy Crown after the destruction/loss of St. Stephen's original crown.

The Bocskai Crown:

It was sent to Istv�n Bocskai the prince of Transylvania by sultan Ahmed in 1605. It was never used as a crown, Bocskai refused to be crowned a king.

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Originally posted by ill_teknique The Romans didnt use crowns until Diocletian's time.  It depends on cultures, it's not a symbolical thing in one and it is in another.

Well, they used crowns, but those were not regalia, but military decorations.