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The Best Ottoman Sultan?

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Poll Question: Who is your favourite Ottoman Sultan?
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23 [36.51%]
8 [12.70%]
1 [1.59%]
3 [4.76%]
4 [6.35%]
2 [3.17%]
1 [1.59%]
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    Posted: 21-Mar-2005 at 05:48
So whos your favourite?
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  Quote aknc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Mar-2005 at 05:53
like bayezt because of his tactics.
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My favourite is always Sultan Mahmud II.

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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Mar-2005 at 11:05
Suleiman the Magnificent who was as his name suggests. No other Ottoman ruler expanded the empire so much. He deserves to be considered among the best military leaders. Ottoman power reached its zenith under him. Great idea for a thread by the way. 

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Mar-2005 at 11:43
I think also Suleiman the lawgiver!
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Mar-2005 at 12:40

How do you define best? I mean, the best political leader, or the best military/tactic man, or the one who conquered most lands? If it means best for nomadic Turkmen people of Anatolia, I would vote "none of them" since they all ignored them...



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  Quote Gazi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 05:37

I meant the one you favour.Not the best.

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  Quote Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 10:26
Sulleyman--because he kicked serious amounts of backside...
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 17:11

I've voted for Mehmed II, my favorite, not just because of his military campaigns but because of his political and cultural achievements too. I agree with Halil nalck's theory that the Ottoman Empire was founded by Mehmed II, meaning that the state was transformed to an empire during his reign.

I dislike Sleymn I because his policies resulted with the large spending of the state treasury (especially during the long-lasting wars fought against the Habsburgs and Safavids). He also executed his very-abled son which resulted with Selm II becoming his heir.

Btw Gazi; Osmn I, Orhn and Murd I were not sultns, they were Bes (Murd I also had the title Hdvendigr). The first Ottoman sultn was Byezd I.

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  Quote Gazi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2005 at 05:31
So they didnt use the title Sultan?(not even Murad I?)
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2005 at 05:28
No they didn't (Murd I might have but I'm not sure - the first Ottoman ruler to use the title Sultn was Byezd I who used it in the form Sultn- klm-i Rm).
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  Quote Gazi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2005 at 05:42
OK thanks
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 07:13

Yavuz Sultan Selim is my favorite. He more or less double the empire in his short reign.

But i am only thinking militaristic way soo..

Suleymans execution of the able Sehzade Mustafa was unforgivible, the begining of the end of the empire.

Mehmed II on the other hand had some setbacks during his reign, he failed to take Rhodos and Belgrad. The Ottoman treasure was also pretty empty becouse of his wars. Thats one of the reasons why Beyazid II was so "passive".

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 13:23
Originally posted by Yasko

Yavuz Sultan Selim is my favorite. He more or less double the empire in his short reign.

But i am only thinking militaristic way soo..

Suleymans execution of the able Sehzade Mustafa was unforgivible, the begining of the end of the empire.

Mehmed II on the other hand had some setbacks during his reign, he failed to take Rhodos and Belgrad. The Ottoman treasure was also pretty empty becouse of his wars. Thats one of the reasons why Beyazid II was so "passive".

Yavuz Sultan Selim was a great commander and conquerer. He was always in front of his army as their khan, and he ended Mamelukes forever. He conquered most of the Arabic peninsula and parts of Egypt. He became the caliph, so Ottoman Empire became the ruler of all Muslims.

But he was very cruel and warior spirited. He killed a couple of his "vezir"s (as I know more than 10) and he acted harsh and cruel to the people who rebelled his decisions and who acted against him.

I like Mehmet II Khan the Conquerer because he conquered Istanbul and caused a new world age to begin. He ended the middle ages and started the new age. And he erased the Eastern Roman Empire forever, with his great success for Turkish history and Islam. He was also a thinker, poet, a great tactics and political man.

 

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  Quote Jazz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 02:54
I'd have to lean towards Mehmet the Conqueror as well.

Not only for finally capturing Constantinople (Kostantiniyye) which itself was a major triumph for Islam, but for how he realized that minorities were to play a purposeful role in the Ottoman Empire.  He instituted the millet (religious nation) system of zimmi administration.

I respect him for allowing all the different millets a place of worship, and that he tried to safeguard these places.  One story has him purposefully not ever entering the church of the Orthodox Patriarch, the Pammakaristos (Turkish: Fethiye Camii) due to knowing that future religious rulers would use this as pretext to convert the church to a mosque.  Not that his stopped Murad III from converting it in 1586, but it shows Mehmet's foresight.  Another story is of Mehmet attending a Catholic mass in Galata.

My 2nd choice would go to Suleyman the Magnificant.

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  Quote OSMANLI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 09:40

I would have to say Sultan Mehmed 2.

Although, Suleyman was a great leader his weakness for women allowed him to kill the rightfull heir.

Any way back to Mehmed. Not only was he great with the military aspect of leadership but he also was great with law keeping and helping to make Istanbul, then in ruins into the capital of the Ottomans as well as making it the head for education.

I belive that Italy also would have been conquered if it were not for his death

Fatih Mehmed's conquest of Istanbul is also mentioned in the Kur'an. It mentions him as the greatest leader of the time, and his army as the greatest army of the time.

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  Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 10:09

OSMANLI:  "Fatih Mehmed's conquest of Istanbul is also mentioned in the Kur'an."

 

 

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  Quote Gazi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 13:09
 But the the Kur'an was written 800 years before Mehmed II.
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  Quote aknc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 13:56
so someone put their opinion in it
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  Quote aknc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 14:04
Originally posted by OSMANLI

I would have to say Sultan Mehmed 2.

Although, Suleyman was a great leader his weakness for women allowed him to kill the rightfull heir.

Any way back to Mehmed. Not only was he great with the military aspect of leadership but he also was great with law keeping and helping to make Istanbul, then in ruins into the capital of the Ottomans as well as making it the head for education.

I belive that Italy also would have been conquered if it were not for his death

Fatih Mehmed's conquest of Istanbul is also mentioned in the Kur'an. It mentions him as the greatest leader of the time, and his army as the greatest army of the time.

I also heard that one of the gokturk leaders was chased off to be a muslim by an angel and forty knights

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