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Most important dynasty in Europe?

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Poll Question: The most important/powerfull dynasty?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
10 [18.18%]
3 [5.45%]
21 [38.18%]
3 [5.45%]
1 [1.82%]
1 [1.82%]
10 [18.18%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [3.64%]
4 [7.27%]
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    Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 14:47

But they ruled different... actually, yes, now when i start to think Bourbons of Spain would have been better but alas.. it has happened so that it is not them on the list.

But if Osmanoglu dynasty spanned thru 694 (i believe it was so, can't remember the correct starting date) years they merely did something important after battle of m_____ ((can't spell any names now)) in about 1550's. I agree if they would have won Vienna in the 17th's then they would be a major power afterwards aswell.

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  Quote Decebal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 10:08
What about the Qing in China or the Yamato in Japan? Or the Moguls in India? The Safavizs in Persia? They may not be European, but I'd say that they were more important than the Vasas of Poland or the Braganzas. 
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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 10:28

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related  to where you  live, If you  lived  easter  Europea, I am sure  most of them remembers ottomans instead of france  or Sweden dynasty.

If ottomans won vienna war, well. I dont think  we would discuss most powerful dynasty.

I choose Habsburgs.

 



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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 12:18
Why should EEurope remember Ottomans? Now, I am wondering.

And, I just ment it from Europe, Decebal.

Now, to continue, well, yes, not so much French, nor Spanish people at that time here but wars, were mostly with French support to Sweden, Russia and they two made the actual war here all the time from 1558-1721.. (the uncertain period)
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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 14:05

Rider my friend

as a greek serb or romanian even polland If they remember ottomans or not? I am sure bulgarians and macedons will remember it also.Even they dont remember it nicely. As an albanian they will know it too.

as a Russian or macar.

arent this countries are also in the Europe?

 

 

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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 03:46
They are, I said East-Eaurope in what I include Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Poland. I am sure I had a small mistake, as if I had said Balticum then we have never had direct contact with Turks unless Russian Emperors gathered their divisions from here.
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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 06:03

I think polands had a lot contact with Turks.

But  I dont think this tree "Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia" had contact. 

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 13:19

Not only East Europeans, but all Protestants, catholics and Orthodox. Ottomans were the ones who shaped the European faith forever. The French and the Austuria-Germans were the ones whose destineys were highly related with the Ottoman existance in Europe. And dont forget that Ottomans once had larger lands than modern France in Europe.

Also lots of new things were introduced in Europe by Ottomans or their effects. Ex: lots of instruments, a couple of vaccines, coffee, Protestant expansion, Orthodox existance, geographical discoveries, and even Reinessance had Ottoman effect, for example the conquest of Konstantiniye and the eastern philosophies. You should face the facts...

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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 15:54
I am facing two facts: the one you are trying to hit me with and the one that i didn't include them in the topic.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 15:59

be calm guys, and yes ottomans are not European.

I didnt think this topic is just for European.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 12:13

How do you describe true European? Geographically, Ottomans had been more European than French and British for hundreds of years. Culturally, Ottomans were the real successors of the Romans, not the other Europeans. Ethnicity doesnt mean anything if you consider that as a reason of not including Ottomans, so Ottomans were as true Europeans as the others.

 

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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 12:24
I mean true Europeans as the ones who live in nowadays Europe, not counting the one province.

Can we stop this fight?? or battle? It jsut seems that any more I can't modify the Poll results.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 15:17

Sure rider, I just wondered why you have thought this way...

Ending this debate, BTW, we still have lands in Europe, nearly as large as Albania. Does it count?

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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 15:20
Yeah, i believe it counts. Are there more than one provinces then? I just thought there was one.

And you had before the Peloponnesia and Macedonia so it should have counted, but my memory was not in it's glory then.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 15:21

I hope not, I am realy bored that European things.

Let them live in peace.

 

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  Quote Svyturys Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jan-2006 at 17:10
Yes Yes...Jagiellons "really" polish.... terible...
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  Quote RomiosArktos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2006 at 13:01
Hapsburgs left a great cultural haritage to the lands they ruled
Today Hungary,Austria(the core of the empire),Czech republic and many other European states are heirs of a great cultural heritage.
And we should not forget that the empire of Carolus V was the most powerful on earth at his time.A vast empire stretching from Latin America to Europa and Phillipines.
That's why i voted the Hapsburgs!

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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2006 at 17:20
Originally posted by Svyturys

Yes Yes...Jagiellons "really" polish.... terible...

What are you saying?
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2006 at 17:37

Originally posted by Sarmata

Originally posted by Svyturys

Yes Yes...Jagiellons "really" polish.... terible...


What are you saying?

He probably meant that they were Lithuanians. Our friends from Lithuania often feel overshadowed by Poland because people tent to forget that it was Polish-Lithuanian joined state and that Lithuanians also had a lot to say about its policy. And Jagiellonians who were ruling it were dynasty from Lithuania not from Poland and thats probably why Svyturys was irrated.

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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2006 at 01:19
aha thats what i thought he was saying...
If thats the case, CULTURALLY the Polis-Lithuanian state was more Polish then Lithuanian. under the union of Krewo Jagiello agreed to adopt the religion of Poland and to incorporate the lands of Lithuania to the Polish crown. During and after Wladyslaw Jagiello I would say it's safe to say that the Jagiellonian dynasty was Polish rather then Lithuanian. And don't get me wrong Im nott rying to discredit Lithuania, everyone knows that Poland could not have done all it had without Lithuania. Of course there is always the arguement wether or not Polish-Russian relations might have been better had Poland and Lithuania not united. Ah well, just "what-ifs".
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