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    Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 16:33
I think the first tiers there are deservingly so, but the merit of others are debatable (both upward or downward). Looking back at my list, I think a lot of powers were definately left out, but there're too many to count so...

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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 16:46
Fair enough!! Did you make this on your own and if so, will you being covering later periods like early modern and modern?
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  Quote Imperator Invictus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 11:28
will you being covering later periods like early modern and modern?


No, not really.

But if you like these classifications, you should check out the AE chart that I've been working.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 11:49
Originally posted by Winterhaze13

France did nothing to affect history. Are you insane!! Read up on something that began in 1789 in France which later spread to the entire continent and gave us many of the great principles as Liberty and equality which shape our society today. It influenced every event after the fact, including the Russian Revolution and every revolution since then.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

Well, these cannot be called the effects of France; but the effects of "French" to history. France was the kingdom which was the place of "French revolution", so it is not about the great power of France at those times. I know enough about the revolution. The revolution also caused the ottoman and Austuria-Hungary empires to be divided, because of the nationalist ideology that was spread all over the world, by French nation...

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  Quote Exarchus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 14:25
Originally posted by Oguzoglu

I cant agree on Prussia and France. How can you define all of France, Roman Empire and Islamic Empire in one category? France had nothing to affect history that much except their colonies and their cultural expansion over these colonies. The main colonial power was England, Britain...


France has made a lot that affected history. Even though it's not necessary linked to its power. Even England, that you call the first colonial power (it was more Britain than England though), has an heavy French influence.
In fact according to askoxford, ask the experts. There are more French words in modern English than old English words. (www.askoxford.com).

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutenglish/pr oportion?view=uk

The gothic architecture was the French art (Opus Francigenum) before being renamed. The biggest English cathedrals were built by French architects, Remigius of Caen built the Lincoln Cathedral, William of Sens built the Canterbury cathedral and many others.

Louis XIV built the Palace of Versailles that caused a huge French wanabee trend in all Europe. Versailles drained 25% of the state income and many countries tried to build one withoput reaching the same size or opulence (the closest is in Saint Petersbourg).

France has 4 buildings that were world tallest structure. The cathedrals of Strasbourg (143m), Beauvais (153m), Rouen (153m) and the Eiffel Tower (300m).

The Metric system is the Systeme International d'unit. Created by the French too.

The very first digital calculator was made by Blaise Pascal who almost created the first programming language (the modern Turbo Pascal is even named after him).

Not to mention the Civil Code, or Napoleonic Code, used by almost all countries of Europe exepted a few (UK, Ireland, the Scandinavians and Russia).


About military power, France was the world 3rd most populated country for ages. It lost a lot of people through wars and plagues. And in internal wars, though just look at the performances of all French substates alone. Normandy, Burgundy, Aquitaine, Toulouse. If you're muslim you must know of Raymond de Saint Gilles, count of Toulouse, who took over Antioch, Tripoli and Jerusalem and of the slaughter of Al Aksa.


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  Quote Thracian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 23:04

France has very interesting things to it then.

Bulgaria was also a great power once - in medieval times it defended Europe from different hordes of barbarians.

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  Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Mar-2005 at 22:33

Well here we go again on a subjective list of goodies.

Ancients:

  1. Sumerians
  2. Egyptians
  3. Persians
  4. Greeks
  5. Romans

1'st millinium:

  1. Huns
  2. Byzantines
  3. Persians
  4. Gokturks
  5. Tang Chinese
  6. Empire of the four rightly guided caliphs
  7. Umayyad Caliphate
  8. Abbasid Caliphate
  9. Vikings

2'nd millinium:

  1. Great Seljuks
  2. Mongol Empire
  3. Holy Roman Empire
  4. Spanish Empire
  5. Ottoman Empire
  6. Habsburg empire
  7. Napoleonic French
  8. British Empire
  9. Communist Russian
  10. Modern American

All are first tier!

 

 

 



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  Quote Alparslan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Mar-2005 at 09:21

 

Sorry but Vikings are beyond the scope of this topics.

 

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  Quote The Golden Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2005 at 11:27

What about Germany??

Divided into over 300 states for much of the European imperialistic age, it finally united in 1871 and went from the junkyard of Europe to the industrial superpower in 30 years!!! Militarily advanced you ask? Listen, little Prussia took out the Habsbourg empire and a few years later France in order to united little germany. They had a form of machine gun far before the rest of the world and culturally many philosophers come from germany including scientists, I can't even name them all. THe GErman nation has had much influence upon our history books there, look at how the founders of the Frankish and English kingdoms were germanic ppl, the entire post roman age was dominated by immigrating people from Germany.

Anyways, I could go on for a long time of the philosophical and cultural accomplishments of Prussia and the German Empire of 1871-1918...and to think the german empire only existed for 40 years and it took on the french and british and russian empires, the three greatest powers of the day and would ahve won if it wasn't for American intrvention...

They certainly deserve the first class category I'd say...

 

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