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    Posted: 26-Sep-2008 at 16:32
I'm running out of things to read, and I was wondering if anyone could spark my interest in an era, war, or battle about which I know very little.  Can anyone recommend some good battles to read about that involve clever trickery and/or excellent tactical skill or innovation for its time?

Examples of battles that I would consider able to meet my criteria: Battle of the Hydaspes (Alexander), Trasimene and Cannae (Hannibal), Austerlitz (Napoleon), Battle of Cowpens (American Revolution), etc.

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  Quote Jonathan4290 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2008 at 16:58
I would highly recommend you read Simon Goodenough's Tactical Genius in Battle which features 27 case study battles with a focus on tactics and commanders. The battles include Austerlitz and Cannae and span all eras of military history so somewhere you'll find something that interests you.
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2008 at 17:25
Try the battle of Lissa in 1866 between Italy and Austria. On the grounds of innovation mostly, but it's a pretty good example of doing things wrong, too Smile
 
I'm assuming you've dealt with the Nile, Copenhagen and Trafalgar.


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  Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2008 at 22:35
Have a look at Leuctra 371 BC, where the Thebans scored a decisive victory over the feared Spartans due to a revolutionary battle formation invented by the general Epaminondas. A formation which is still in use by police forces today in crowd control situations.
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2008 at 01:01
Lake Trasimene in 217 BC, it is chock full of ingenious tactical ploys by the cunning Hannibal. For its sheer tactical micro level detail it actually has always been my favourite of Hannibal's battles, even slightly more so than Cannae.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2008 at 10:02
Battle of Walaja, a double envelopment against the Sassanid Persians.
A modern example, Suez '73, a forced crossing, destroying three Israeli armoured divisions and later when the Yanks pulled the Israeli bacon out of the fire a supereb counter-crossing by Ariel Sharon.
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  Quote Cuddles McKitten Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2008 at 14:39
Originally posted by Sparten

Battle of Walaja, a double envelopment against the Sassanid Persians.
A modern example, Suez '73, a forced crossing, destroying three Israeli armoured divisions and later when the Yanks pulled the Israeli bacon out of the fire a supereb counter-crossing by Ariel Sharon.


I think we have a winner here, folks.  I know next to nothing about the Islamic conquests or Khalid ibn al-Walid and very little about the Arab-Israeli Wars.  Hopefully I can find some detailed, non-partisan information on both topics.

Please don't stop listing good battles, though.  I don't think having too many would be much of a problem.
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  Quote Count Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2008 at 17:57
Read about the battle of carrhae


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  Quote Sudaka Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2009 at 20:18
I might recommend any batlle from General Paz. An argentine general in the civils wars of the XIX century. The battle of Caaguazú in particular is very intresting becouse he have only an emergy draft of childrens and old mans army to confront the victorius regulars troops army of his enemy.
La Tablada and Oncativo are also intresting.
 
A strange thing is his lastname "Paz" mean "Peace" in spanish.  
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  Quote nomooon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Nov-2009 at 10:28
I recommend the Chinese Tang Dynasty general Li GuangBi, here is one anecdote of him while his army was squaring off against a much bigger rebels force:

He first collected nearly a thousand mother horses, and took away their babies for couple of days, then as the rebels were pasturing their warhorses, he unleashed the mother horses on them, these mother horses ran around and screamed for their babies, which turned on the male warhorses, and thousands of warhorses followed these mother horses back to Li's Camp ( Way to cripple a cavalry!)
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  Quote p,c,ma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2010 at 14:35
Any of the battles fought by Sun Tzu. The battle of Chalons by Atilla. Or for the politics of it the siege of Rome by Alaric.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Apr-2012 at 03:34
I found the battle of jaxartes very interesting and little known. Alexander used some of the (first?) known combined arms and more importantly was one of only two great leaders who encountered and defeated mounted steppe archers (genghis khan style) with no previous knowledge of that fighting style. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jaxartes. It would have been interesting if he had really fought genghis (removing equipment superiority khan gained thru the centuries).

Cannae and Austerlitz, of course, I acknowledge as the greats.

Discovery channel had a great doc on guagamela "ultimate battles".
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Aug-2012 at 12:10
Cannae, Trasimene, and Trebia were all very good tactically. So were: 1st and 2nd Herdonia, Silarus, Battle of the River Tagues and Battle of the River Rhone.
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  Quote emperor_stylianos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Dec-2012 at 15:49
I would recommend studying Gustavus Adolphus, a much underrated general. He was one of the first generals to use pike and shot and cannon effectively as one cohesive unit. Napoleon himself commented on the man, along with several others including Caesar, Alexander, Hannibal, Turenne and Frederick the Great.

Another interesting person would be Charles 12th of Sweden. He INVADED Russia, and failed, along with Napoleon and Hitler. He was one of the only to do so, and was probably the greatest Swedish general.
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