QuoteReplyTopic: CYPRUS issue Posted: 15-Apr-2005 at 14:34
WHere is the quote????And you generalised about my resources and i was talking about whatever i had posted.
Are you simple or something????
You said
"I posted 3 links,a teeny bit of the ottoman archives and i am almost at
the point of posting the agreement that turkey signed with greece and un"
Where are those archives?????
They can NOT be found in this topic, if you want an answer on those,
point out exactly where they are and I will answer, as for the quote
you want, I can't find it in KIBRIS since I cn't read Turkish and it
isn't available in the english version but there is absolutely NO doubt
that he was one of the founding members.
Here are just a couple of sites that do support this:
"He helped form TMT, a Turkish Cypriot paramilitary group opposed to union with Greece,"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2623169.stm
"TMT, a rival armed Turkish Cypriot fascist organisation closely linked
to the Turkish state, was formed and led by Rauf Denktash, now
President of the so-called Turkish Republic of North Cyprus."
http://www.socialistworld.net/eng/2003/01/24cyprus.html
"that one of the founders and leaders of the TMT was Rauf R. Denktash."
muse.jhu.edu/journals/mediterranean_ quarterly/v012/12.3fouskas.pdf
Edited by Phallanx
To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
Earth to mars,is anybody there!?(you finally did it i lowered myself to your level)
WHere is the quote????And you generalised about my resources and i was talking about whatever i had posted.
"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
Proof?I posted 3 links,a teeny bit of the ottoman archives and i am
almost at the point of posting the agreement that turkey signed with
greece and un
Pathetic.Instead of meddling with words answer my request.You have failed to give me a direct quote from denktash
and you are a fraud.Alparslan pointed that you were adding on facts really nicely....
You dear friend live on MARS.
Where in this topic have you posted any kind of archives?????
Don't
look, the answer is Nowhere, so tell me in which topic is this great post that has remained unanswered and I'l be more than happy to answer.
To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
So never and I do mean NEVER!!! question my sources again.
Unlike you, I only use documents that DO exist.
I do have more if you're not full yet.
I remain Unsatisfied
Proof?I posted 3 links,a teeny bit of the ottoman archives and i am almost at the point of posting the agreement that turkey signed with greece and un
Pathetic.Instead of meddling with words answer my request.You have failed to give me a direct quote from denktash
and you are a fraud.Alparslan pointed that you were adding on facts really nicely....
"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on Feb. 26, 1981 in which he said, "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed << enosis,>> I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."
And from which Unbiased , totally Balanced and certainly not Anti-Greek site you took this from and missed to provide the link, Atomic??
Let me see, could it be AGAIN,http://www.ataa.org A.K.A Turkish-American Assembly??
And you were talking somehow about biased sources??? Geez Atomic, i love how you always manage to contradict yourself.
In the movie, I don't know why Tony Curtis stepped up to the plate and was quick to shout, I'M SPARTAKUS! I don't know, would you be willing to put your life on the line for another who writes such nonsense as "The situation is that a foreign state,Turkey, invaded illlegaly to another state..."? I hope Spartakus wasn't referring to 1570-1, during the age of empires, where everyone was illegally invading each others' territories... and the Venetians lost the island, only 40 miles off the Turkish coast.
If Spartakus was referring to the legality of the 1974 events, I'll get to that critical question toward the end, when addressing the endless document spams of Phallanx.
Be my guest, Atomic. I am waiting for your critical answer. I am curius to read from you the legality of Cyprus occupation from your brothers.
The fact is, When Ataturk overthrew the Ottoman Empire, along with the invading Greeks who meant to enslave his nation, Venizelos was so impressed with the honor of the Turkish leader, he nominated Ataturk for the Nobel Peace Prize. Ataturk made good on his proclamation, "Peace at home, peace in the world." At no time has Turkey taken on an aggressive major military stance outside her borders, except when snapping to the attention of her USA master, getting involved in foreign adventures for which the Turks have rarely received sufficient credit.
Tsk Tsk Atomic, "enslave his nation"? How conveniently you forgot that there were (*note "were" and not "are" because as known, the humanitarian Turks managed to eliminate the greek element After the population exchanges there were around 200,000 Greeks and now the moment we are talking there are not more than 3-4,000) Greeks there where in many occasions they were the majority of the population in cities?
Of course, the prejudiced world, just about all of whom fought bloody wars against the Turks over the centuries, is not going to listen to the side of the Turks. So was Turkey suddenly the aggressor in Cyprus, going smack-dab against her peaceful policies since her existence as a republic? That doesn't make any sense.
Yeah the bad world...never see the humanitarian achievements and the peaceful policies of the Turks. Bad...bad World!!!
Once again, the Greeks provoked, and the Turks... after enduring patiently the rude and often criminal Greek jabs time and again... reacted. Action-Reaction; this is the scientific formula of Greeks vs. Turks. Finally, after being fed their medicine, and unhappy about the consequences of the repercussions, do the Greeks ever take it like a man? No. They weep and take their case to their Christian compatriots, the latter of whom have never given the Turks a fair shake.
Yeah whatever makes your day. The bad greeks...how provoking action of them was not to surrender Constantinople from the start and waste the time of the Ottomans by sieging it. Bad greeks...they provoked this way the massacres of the Turks after the fall.
And bad Greek-Cypriots...why dont they betrayed the Venetians and surrender while Lala Pashat was sieging Nicosia??? They provoked the humanitarian Turks and had to massacre 20,000 of them afterwards. Bad Greek-Cypriots...you should be ashamed!!!
So when Red Guard asked, "Why can't the Greeks and Turks just unite into one indepent nation?" it wasn't for lack of trying on humanistic Turkey's part. The people of the island lived in relative peace... Until the 1950s, once again, the Greeks started their nationalistic provocations. Sure, they can come up with all their little speculative theories to deter from the real truth, like Turkey planning to have an "enosis" with Cyprus (when the idea of such union was entirely on the part of Greece; but this isn't the first time when the Orthodox clan commits the crime, and then points the finger at Turkey for having their criminal idea), and as Phallanx is disgracefully trying to present TAKISM as the reason why the troubles got started, when TAKISM was obviously a reaction to the Greeks' provocatively murderous actions.
So Atomic, now its the orthodox clan fault?
You are not being honorable, Phallanx, by ignoring the fact that it was your fathers committing the crimes. It's not right for you to try and cover their having fired the first shot, by making it seem like the Turks were the aggressors.
Seems like its the other way around Atomic. Too sad to be the one who will break the news to you.
Now let's get to those spam documents, and the legality of Turkey's move.
Okay, they all sound good on the surface. Turkey is one bad boy.
But here's the deal, friends. The Greeks, like the Armenians, know they are the darlings of the Christian world. They have practical free reign to do whatever mischief they want, spoiled brats that they are, in full realization that all they will get is a slap on the wrist.
The darlings of Christian world??? Too bad for you that you show one more time your inability to raise a good argument. I bet in the 4th crusade the christian world said loudly "hey why dont we go and capture The beloved city of our darlings"?
The cradle-to-grave prejudices of the Western world are deeply ingrained still against the "Terrible Turk." There's still too much the Crusader mentality, and too many wars have been fought in the past centuries, against the one nation the imperialistic West has never been able to tame. The West is still approaching Turkish issues from a position of dishonesty, for example, demanding the Turks recognize a false Armenian genocide as the price for entering the EU.
Now we turned it from the "bad Christian world" to the "Imperialist West"? True...your syllogism is awesome. "We should blame the imperialist west...why dont they let the poor humanitarian Turks enter E.U with no clauses at all??? Why the bad French demand to recognize the Armenian Genocide? Who cares that we occupy illegally a part of a country, member of E.U? Why do we have even to recognize this country, member of E.U?"
The left, since the days of Gladstone still thinking of the Turks as a "human cancer," wholeheartedly accepts the line that the Turks are still the savage barbarians. I'm not saying the Turks are always angels -- no people are -- but the human rights groups, peopled by those with a liberal and compassionate mindset, are quick to acknowledge these charges of barbarism at face value, and single the Turks out with disproportionate zeal. Kurds who claim they are escaping injustice? Come on in, Europe welcomes you with open arms. We all know how evil those Turks can be.
You know Atomic, each paragraph of yours is justifying that article Iskenderani posted from a Turkish scholar.
5. Another characteristic of Turkish national identity is the fact that the Turks consider themselves the actual, true victims of history. "We are the nation upon whom actual injustice was inflicted. We are a persecuted nation, but no one recognizes that. We are treated as the "'stepchildren' of history." Two factors have contributed to the evolution of this mental attitude. First, throughout the nineteenth century, the national wars of liberation of Christian groups in the Balkans (Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc.) were experienced as massacres of the Moslem population. Secondly, Europe paid no attention to the massacres of Moslems, although European nations were highly sensitive to the massacres of Christians and utilized every occasion to interfere. It is not an exaggeration to say that in the minds of the Moslems had entrenched itself the firm belief that the entire world was poised against them; they considered themselves the victims of history.
Atomic, i dont have the time to reply to each of your following paragraphs, but its at least ridiculous for someone like you coming here and accuse Phallanx by saying #it would be more considerate of you to highlight the points you'd like to make, and to provide links on the Internet for anyone interested in the details. Anybody can post long documents. (Maybe one is okay once in a while, but a whole series of them? Is that the purpose of this forum, to get lost in the crowd of difficult-to-get-through legalese in this particular case, or to attempt honest discussion?)#
while all you doAtomic, is EXACTLY YOU ARE ACCUSING PHALLANX OF.
You are doing a copy/paste from http://www.ataa.org/ataa/ref/cyprus/cyprus_genocide.html aka Turkish-American Assembly, as anybody can see, which of course noone can credit as a balanced and NON BIASED site AND OF COURSE NATURALLY YOU MISSED TO PROVIDE THE LINK OF IT.
I let people draw their own conclusions about your accusations against Phallanx and your own attitude.
Tsk tsk, Isk. Quick to proclaim your easy conclusion of Turkish "massacres," while the Greek Cypriots were such poor and innocent angels?
Tsk tsk, Atomic. Quick to proclaim your easy conclusion of Greek-Cypriot "massacres," while Turks and Turkish Cypriots were such poor and innocent angels?
I see you gentlemen are enjoying patting each other on the shoulder, and crying victory over the seemingly case-closing impact of these documents. Here's my response. (And please keep in mind I rarely venture onto this site, so if I don't answer, at least not right away, that doesn't necessarily mean I have no answer... as you seem to be implying with your slow-to-respond foes, who have caused you such hearty amusement.)
Could the first two lines of your quote describe EXACTLYyours and your friends attitude here, Atomic?? Tsk Tsk I bet you havent notice it
You should be ashamed of yourself, Phallanx, for spamming this board with lo-o-ongg documents that nobody is going to read.
Tsk tsk Atomic... if YOU fail to read long documents/posts which prove the other side's point it doesnt have to apply for the MAJORITY of people here. But if you follow your own advice Atomic, YOU should be ashamed of yourself, for spamming this board with a soooo lo-o-oong post that nobody according to your own logic is going to read.
Next time, it would be more considerate of you to highlight the points you'd like to make, and to provide links on the Internet for anyone interested in the details. Anybody can post long documents. (Maybe one is okay once in a while, but a whole series of them? Is that the purpose of this forum, to get lost in the crowd of difficult-to-get-through legalese in this particular case, or to attempt honest discussion?)
You mean like the links of your writings YOU MISSED to provide????? Tsk Tsk Atomic... i love how you manage to contradict yourself with your own quotes
Would you like me to post the many western and "Christian" press reports of the long line of Greek Cypriot barbarities? Those words, I believe, would speak infinitely louder than the opinions of biased anti-Turkish "Christian" parties firmly in alignment with your Greek version of events.
Be my guest Atomic... but like you wrote before, it would be best to provide the links of the un-biased and non Anti-Greek sites you took them from. Too bad you failed to do it.
We'll address the nature of these documents in greater detail, as I run down the list of what I've encountered on this thread.
Now, I don't know whether we got the expression, "slow as molosses" from one of our members here, but when Molosses made the utterly false statement of "I must remind you that (Cyprus) has been Greek since the dawn of humanity," I don't know why the honorable Greeks among you did not jump down his throat. The fact is, the nationalistic propaganda of your country drives home this very same notion.
This is why Clerides unashamedly declared years ago, "We have taken these lands from our ancestors as Hellenic, our national duty is to deliver them to our future generations as Hellenic, however not divided but as a whole." President Stephanopoulos also did his bit to distort history when he proclaimed, after having received his Makarios medal of honor:"chemas-microsoft-comfficemarttags" />t="on">lace wt="on">CYPRUSlace> IS GREEK, and we are not alone in saying that. It is history which declares it so."chemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />>>
When the lies emerge so readily from your leaders' mouths, of course your brains are going to be washed, better than if you were to drop your drachma into the coin slots of the local laundromat.
I'm not aware of any history book ever crediting Greece to have owned Cyprus. the previous owners of Cyprus, chronologically, were as follows: The Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, the Egyptians, the Persians, the Romans, the Arabs, the Venetians, and the Ottoman Turks. Contrary to Augustus' very intelligent post (adding other parties I wasn't aware of, including the ancient Hittites), where he otherwise observed, "It seems Cyprus was Greek only for a rather small part of its recorded history," "seems" is the key word. What it really seems like is that Cyprus has never been the possession of the government of Greece.
IF we follow your own logic Atomic, Cyprus has never been the possession of the government of Turkey. And before you rush into to protest, remember Turkey has been a republic government since 1923.
But again what you fail to grasp is, what matters is WHO WERE THE INHABITANTS OF THE ISLAND. And if you cared to read the history of Cyprus, Greeks were for THOUSANDS of years there, since 1400 B.C . No matter who ruled, The majority of inhabitants were greeks, they had a continuous presence there and they spoke greek language and had the same culture like the rest of Greeks.
As far as Strategos' response when trapped in the corner with the lie of Cyprus being Greek -- "The RULE of countries can change, but the PEOPLE still remain" -- I beg to offer a caveat. The reason why there are Greeks on the island of Cyprus ever since 1571 is because when the RULE changed, the humanitarian Turks allowed the Greek PEOPLE to remain, and flourish. Quite unlike Greece's inhuman ethnic cleansing policies whenever she had the upper hand with Turks. True in 1821, true in 1919, and true in 1974.
Have you just wrote Atomic "when the RULE changed, the humanitarian Turksallowed the Greek PEOPLE to remain, and flourish"???
You mean Atomic, not to have the tragic end of e.g the inhabitants of Constantinople in 1453 when the savages were butchering them for 3 DAYS after the fall of Constantinople???
OR to have the tragic end of the 20.000 inhabitants of Nicosia who were massacred from Lala Mustafa Pasha???
And what else did the humanitarian turks did?? As usual every church, public building, and palace was looted, property who belonged to Greeks Cypriots was taken by force from Ottomans. Many Greek- Cypriots were forced to convert to Islam in order to save their lifes (have you ever heard the term "Linobambakoi", Atomic??? and all of these because...of the humanitarian Turks!!!! In other words, Atomic is telling us to THANK the humanitarian Turks who spared the lifes of the entire Greek-Cypriot population and didnt exterminate them.
[QUOTE]You should be ashamed of yourself, Phallanx, for
spamming this board with lo-o-ongg documents that nobody is going to
read. Next time, it would be more considerate of you to highlight the
points you'd like to make, and to provide links on the Internet for
anyone interested in the details. Anybody can post long documents.
(Maybe one is okay once in a while, but a whole series of them? Is that
the purpose of this forum, to get lost in the crowd of
difficult-to-get-through legalese in this particular case, or to
attempt honest discussion?)[/QUOTE]
I do get
the point of loong posts, but who are you to judge, I do believe that
this site does have inteligent enough mods to critisize my posts. Ashamed for what? proving
that you turks have absolutely NO respect for treaties signed, UN
resolutions, are totally IGNORANT of the term HUMAN RIGHTS???
Sorry bud, but I'm more than proud to be able to shout at your disgrace to humanity MASSACRE tatics
Would you like me to post the many western and "Christian" press reports of the long line of Greek Cypriot barbarities?
Your
brothers in arms already have. The problem is that only your turkish
sites know of these alleged documents. I've seen what you post and done
more than enough research to know that half if not all these
"documents" are nothing more than forgeries. Let's
Now, I don't know whether we got the expression,......CYPRUS IS GREEK, and we are not alone in saying that. It is history which declares it so."..... When the lies emerge so readily from your leaders' mouths,........ Cyprus has never been the possession of the government of Greece
Let's take this simple, Proof of the Hellinic past and present are ALL
archeologic finds that you obviously can NOT apprehend. Instead of
making a LOOOONG list that will not be read, I'll just quote one site:
YOU
"Cypriot syllabary seemed to
have derived from Linear A, and therefore
is like a sibling to Linear B. For this
reason, sometimes the script at this very early stage is called
Cypro-Minoan, to distinguish it from the Cypriot script used for
writing Greek after the 12th century BCE."
SIBLING=BROTHER You do need to open up a history book or 2 or 3 or.............
the humanitarian Turks allowed the Greek PEOPLE to remain, and
flourish. Quite unlike Greece's inhuman ethnic cleansing policies
whenever she had the upper hand with Turks. True in 1821, true in 1919,
and true in 1974.
Man you really do have a major problem. Humanitary????
They why on eart conquer in the first place, why expand? Have you ever
heard of IMPALMENT???? Try looking up your beloved torture methods and
how Dusan was introduced to them and then think twice before you use
that term ever again. You don't have the right to.
Please
forgive us oh efenti that we REFUSED to remain under the Ottoamn yoke
and decided to kick your ass out of these sacred lands and obtain our
FREEDOM or are we to be put on trial for that????? The
The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on Feb. 26, 1981 in which he said, "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed << enosis,>> I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."
The ONLY official site that presents this alleged statement is your foreign affairs site. But is it reliable? Hell NO it is actually easy to prove exactly how BIASED it is, just look up how it manipulates the documents on the Imia issue.
Venizelos was so impressed with the honor of the Turkish leader, he
nominated Ataturk for the Nobel Peace Prize. Ataturk made good on his
proclamation, "Peace at home, peace in the world." At no time has
Turkey taken on an aggressive major military stance outside her
borders, except when snapping to the attention of her USA master,
getting involved in foreign adventures for which the Turks have rarely
received sufficient credit.
Are we going to be serious or just talk BS? The
reason Venizelos did what he did was due to pressure, you should know
that the reason for the events in 22 were the result of France, Britain
and Russia. Once we
attacked Russia obtain what she wanted and convinced the others to cut
support, that is why we had the MASSACRE at Smyrna. All Venizelos was
trying to do is save the game by building relations. That is what
politicians do you know. As for
the impressed BS where do you get this? In his bio he makes no
reference of admiration and he never made a comment as the
nominator usually does, so where do you get this stuff???? (probably
your foreign ministry)
Once again, the Greeks provoked, and the Turks... after enduring patiently the rude........TAKISM was obviously a reaction to the Greeks' provocatively murderous actions.
What the inferior giaour (unbeliever) doesn't have a right to demand help from the people that were behind this???? Don't
know if you know of it but both UK and US disclossed documents prove
that they were behind it and you were just the murder weapon, so leave
your BS bad Hellines theory for someone that will believe you. We have
always known the truth and now have the document to prove it.(but I
won't spam you this time)
You are not being honorable, Phallanx, by ignoring the fact that it was
your fathers committing the crimes. It's not right for you to try and
cover their having fired the first shot, by making it seem like the
Turks were the aggressors.
Man you have major problems in understanding history. Our fathers? What about your great grandad in the 15th???? But
NOOOOOOO, the good ol'boys aren't to be blamed cause that will hurt
little atomic's feeling to know that he's the decendant of a long line
of murderers with only purpose to conquer and destroy anything
civilized. I guess
you'll probably deny that TAKSIM MURDERED the Turk-Cypriots mentioned
before simply because they opposed to what Ankara had ordered???? Damn pathetic.
The
first of Phallanx's spam contributions was a wonderful little
decision by "the European Court of Human Rights." After they
exclusively considered their darling Greeks' perspective, holding the
Turks guilty on every count,
.............................................. ....Regarding "Home and
property of displaced persons," did this court look
equally to the displaced from the Turkish side? I'll bet not; Turkish
lives are not as important.
You must
forgive Oh, great one those twits from HR for not demanding that a Turk
judge was also present, hell why not even count his vote twice. Com'on,
you said that you were going to the point but untill now all I've seen
is your total IGNORANCE in history, some forgered documents and your
continuous attck towards Christians. As for
the home and prosperity of displaced persons, unfortunately for you and
the rest that claim the exact crap you do. The Ottomans did one "good"
thing, they left Documents!!!! So we have the decree of Sultan Selim II and guess what we find??? The dear Sultan demands the immediate transportation of 20.000 Turks to Cyprus. What about the poor Cypriots houses?? Why would you care, you're all tied up wasting my time.
Such
is the hypocrisy of these groups such as "the European Court of Human
Rights,"...........What is this partisan report doing here?
OK,
nothing worth saying here. So Human Right is nothing more than a
Christian's club that is unjust to the poor little turks, won't let
them massacre people any more
On Sept. 10, 1964, the U.N. Secretary-General reported that "UNFICYP..................................nor upon Britain, nor the other countries who have acquiesced.
It also declares that there will be NO: political or economic union
with any State whatsoever
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:h6dX_wvb2rAJ:www.mfa.go v.cy/mfa/mfa.nsf/91B33C34664E8441C2256B670052E891/%24FILE/Tr eaty%2520of%2520Guarantee.doc+Treaty+of+Guarantee+&hl=el &client=firefox-a why don't you remind me why TMT what developed and by who?? Wasn't this also a clearly prohibited by Art. 1 of the same treaty you quote????
As for
Security Coun. Res. 186 here it is off the official Turk-Cypriot site.
Why don't you tell me were there is anything that can be used to
"condemn" the Hellinic-Cypriots???
I did see: 2. Asks the Government of Cyprus, which has the responsibility for the
maintenance and restoration of law and order, to take all additional
measures necessary to stop violence and bloodshed in Cyprus;
S o the
resolution you quote actually gave Sampson the right to stop all
Turk-Cypriot killings by TMT, which is actually what he attempted to do.
Look at the nonsense from these documents.................... started by the Turks.
You
obviously have a major problem with ALL non-muslims, I suggest you get
over it, religion shouldn't be such a major part of your life. I'm not
saying don't believe, hell believe your God is a Marsian for all I
care, but don't let it lead your life into judging people by religion. As for who started it, as I already said, look up TMT.
But the missing persons issue appears
I
honestly didn't believe you people could get so low as to deny the fact
of the missing. What about the FACT that only a couple of months ago,
bodies found buried and handed over to their families so they could
finally have a proper burial, since you animals had them all pilled up
in a pit???? But noooooo, your military goverment won't release such info to the sheep.
Should one of the minorities get threatened by the other,
the "mother countries" of both minorities were granted the legal right
to come in and intervene.
That is what this treaty was about, enacted solely as a reaction against murderous Greek actions.
When you use a source do it correctly!!!
Article IV
In the event of a breach
of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United
Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations
or measures necessary to ensure observance of those provisions.
In so far as common or
concerted action may not prove possible, each the three guaranteeing
Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing
the state of affairs created by the present Treaty.
How about telling us, when did Turkey ever consult before you invaded?????
Wake up it was a one side move with only purpose to do what you were striving for since 1950 PARTITION
Why, what better source to listen to than the Athens Court of Appeal? ................ do with history, nor legality, nor morality.
Even
though I've been searching the web for several hours, there is no
reference to this in any non-turkish site. Once again your well known
source.
To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
Tsk tsk, Isk. Quick to proclaim your easy conclusion of Turkish "massacres," while the Greek Cypriots were such poor and innocent angels?
I see you gentlemen are enjoying patting each other on the shoulder, and crying victory over the seemingly case-closing impact of these documents. Here's my response. (And please keep in mind I rarely venture onto this site, so if I don't answer, at least not right away, that doesn't necessarily mean I have no answer... as you seem to be implying with your slow-to-respond foes, who have caused you such hearty amusement.)
You should be ashamed of yourself, Phallanx, for spamming this board with lo-o-ongg documents that nobody is going to read. Next time, it would be more considerate of you to highlight the points you'd like to make, and to provide links on the Internet for anyone interested in the details. Anybody can post long documents. (Maybe one is okay once in a while, but a whole series of them? Is that the purpose of this forum, to get lost in the crowd of difficult-to-get-through legalese in this particular case, or to attempt honest discussion?)
Would you like me to post the many western and "Christian" press reports of the long line of Greek Cypriot barbarities? Those words, I believe, would speak infinitely louder than the opinions of biased anti-Turkish "Christian" parties firmly in alignment with your Greek version of events.
We'll address the nature of these documents in greater detail, as I run down the list of what I've encountered on this thread.
Now, I don't know whether we got the expression, "slow as molosses" from one of our members here, but when Molosses made the utterly false statement of "I must remind you that (Cyprus) has been Greek since the dawn of humanity," I don't know why the honorable Greeks among you did not jump down his throat. The fact is, the nationalistic propaganda of your country drives home this very same notion.
This is why Clerides unashamedly declared years ago, "We have taken these lands from our ancestors as Hellenic, our national duty is to deliver them to our future generations as Hellenic, however not divided but as a whole." President Stephanopoulos also did his bit to distort history when he proclaimed, after having received his Makarios medal of honor: "CYPRUS IS GREEK, and we are not alone in saying that. It is history which declares it so."
When the lies emerge so readily from your leaders' mouths, of course your brains are going to be washed, better than if you were to drop your drachmas into the coin slots of the local laundromat.
I'm not aware of any history book ever crediting Greece to have owned Cyprus. the previous owners of Cyprus, chronologically, were as follows: The Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, the Egyptians, the Persians, the Romans, the Arabs, the Venetians, and the Ottoman Turks. Contrary to Augustus' very intelligent post (adding other parties I wasn't aware of, including the ancient Hittites), where he otherwise observed, "It seems Cyprus was Greek only for a rather small part of its recorded history," "seems" is the key word. What it really seems like is that Cyprus has never been the possession of the government of Greece.
As far as Strategos' response when trapped in the corner with the lie of Cyprus being Greek -- "The RULE of countries can change, but the PEOPLE still remain" -- I beg to offer a caveat. The reason why there are Greeks on the island of Cyprus ever since 1571 is because when the RULE changed, the humanitarian Turks allowed the Greek PEOPLE to remain, and flourish. Quite unlike Greece's inhuman ethnic cleansing policies whenever she had the upper hand with Turks. True in 1821, true in 1919, and true in 1974.
The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on Feb. 26, 1981 in which he said, "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed << enosis,>> I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."
In the movie, I don't know why Tony Curtis stepped up to the plate and was quick to shout, I'M SPARTAKUS! I don't know, would you be willing to put your life on the line for another who writes such nonsense as "The situation is that a foreign state,Turkey, invaded illlegaly to another state..."? I hope Spartakus wasn't referring to 1570-1, during the age of empires, where everyone was illegally invading each others' territories... and the Venetians lost the island, only 40 miles off the Turkish coast.
If Spartakus was referring to the legality of the 1974 events, I'll get to that critical question toward the end, when addressing the endless document spams of Phallanx.
Strategos wrote, "I have a feeling that if turks were the main population on Cyprus, then at one time it would want to try to unite with ;the motherland'." Well, Strategos obviously has many emotional feelings about the issue, and while he is certainly welcome to his speculations, his feelings do not translate into fact.
The fact is, When Ataturk overthrew the Ottoman Empire, along with the invading Greeks who meant to enslave his nation, Venizelos was so impressed with the honor of the Turkish leader, he nominated Ataturk for the Nobel Peace Prize. Ataturk made good on his proclamation, "Peace at home, peace in the world." At no time has Turkey taken on an aggressive major military stance outside her borders, except when snapping to the attention of her USA master, getting involved in foreign adventures for which the Turks have rarely received sufficient credit.
Of course, the prejudiced world, just about all of whom fought bloody wars against the Turks over the centuries, is not going to listen to the side of the Turks. So was Turkey suddenly the aggressor in Cyprus, going smack-dab against her peaceful policies since her existence as a republic? That doesn't make any sense.
Once again, the Greeks provoked, and the Turks... after enduring patiently the rude and often criminal Greek jabs time and again... reacted. Action-Reaction; this is the scientific formula of Greeks vs. Turks. Finally, after being fed their medicine, and unhappy about the consequences of the repercussions, do the Greeks ever take it like a man? No. They weep and take their case to their Christian compatriots, the latter of whom have never given the Turks a fair shake.
So when Red Guard asked, "Why can't the Greeks and Turks just unite into one indepent nation?" it wasn't for lack of trying on humanistic Turkey's part. The people of the island lived in relative peace... Until the 1950s, once again, the Greeks started their nationalistic provocations. Sure, they can come up with all their little speculative theories to deter from the real truth, like Turkey planning to have an "enosis" with Cyprus (when the idea of such union was entirely on the part of Greece; but this isn't the first time when the Orthodox clan commits the crime, and then points the finger at Turkey for having their criminal idea), and as Phallanx is disgracefully trying to present TAKISM as the reason why the troubles got started, when TAKISM was obviously a reaction to the Greeks' provocatively murderous actions.
You are not being honorable, Phallanx, by ignoring the fact that it was your fathers committing the crimes. It's not right for you to try and cover their having fired the first shot, by making it seem like the Turks were the aggressors.
Now let's get to those spam documents, and the legality of Turkey's move.
Okay, they all sound good on the surface. Turkey is one bad boy.
But here's the deal, friends. The Greeks, like the Armenians, know they are the darlings of the Christian world. They have practical free reign to do whatever mischief they want, spoiled brats that they are, in full realization that all they will get is a slap on the wrist.
The cradle-to-grave prejudices of the Western world are deeply ingrained still against the "Terrible Turk." There's still too much the Crusader mentality, and too many wars have been fought in the past centuries, against the one nation the imperialistic West has never been able to tame. The West is still approaching Turkish issues from a position of dishonesty, for example, demanding the Turks recognize a false Armenian genocide as the price for entering the EU.
The left, since the days of Gladstone still thinking of the Turks as a "human cancer," wholeheartedly accepts the line that the Turks are still the savage barbarians. I'm not saying the Turks are always angels -- no people are -- but the human rights groups, peopled by those with a liberal and compassionate mindset, are quick to acknowledge these charges of barbarism at face value, and single the Turks out with disproportionate zeal. Kurds who claim they are escaping injustice? Come on in, Europe welcomes you with open arms. We all know how evil those Turks can be.
In this atmosphere where the Greeks, Armenians, and others who make it their passion to spread their hatred, "Christian" Europe and America easily swallow the propaganda... especially when the Turks are too clueless and powerless to know how to counter effectively, P.R. always being their weak point. The Christian world easily accepts the deceitful claims, because such claims fit in well with their comfort zones and beliefs.
The first of Phallanx's spam contributions was a wonderful little decision by "the European Court of Human Rights." After they exclusively considered their darling Greeks' perspective, holding the Turks guilty on every count, one has but to wonder whether the judges... Swedish, French, Italian, Swiss, Austrian, Czech, Luxemburger, Slovenian, Croatian, Irish, Macedonian, Moldovan, Latvian, Russian, members of incredibly Turk-friendly countries, would have done more than yawn had Turkey not intervened, and Sampson would have been able to go through his extermination plan.
Such is the hypocrisy of these groups such as "the European Court of Human Rights," who primarily consider the rights of the humans they deem most valuable. If they're not going to be able to deal a fair hand, why should anyone with true honor listen to them? For example: Regarding "Home and property of displaced persons," did this court look equally to the displaced from the Turkish side? I'll bet not; Turkish lives are not as important.
Armenia, with the help of 1.5 billion in Russian military aid and millions lobbied from the pockets of American taxpayers, pulled off a surprise attack in 1992. They have occupied Karabakh, displacing scores of Azeris. Despite a few token U.N. condemnations, where are the voices of outrage from the Christian community? There is none, because Azeri Turkic lives are not as important. (Quite the contrary, the "Christian Club" in the form of the Minsk Group Fact-Finding Mission, quite recently -- and incredibly -- found Azerbaijan as the aggressor, and poor Armenia as the innocent victim. Same old story.)
(In America, victim Azerbaijan got penalized and villain Armenia got rewarded. No differently than in 1974, when the powerful Greek lobby and the prejudices of American politicians enabled the USA to penalize Turkey with its arms embargo.)
The 1996 European Parliament Resolution. Same types of findings. The poor Greeks are always the innocent victims. Never mind that they fired the first shot.
The 1987 Commission of Human Rights. Same bunch of hypocrites.
There's a Nov. 2000 declaration from something called "Unilateral Declaration of Independence," (UDI) the origins of which I didn't first understand. But given its extremely hostile language, I wasn't surprised to discover it apparently originates from the Permanent Mission of Cyprus to the United Nations. (As the root of the web link revealed.) What is this partisan report doing here?
Now the United Nations documents appear a little more serious. But who holds the cards at the U.N.? Again, it's the Christian club, with very short memories. Here is the legitimacy of the U.N., from a 1999 article excerpt by former British Parliamentarian, Michael Stephen, responding to those who have completely overlooked the recent history of the island:
On Sept. 10, 1964, the U.N. Secretary-General reported that "UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island during the disturbances. ...it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish-Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In the Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs."
The U.K. House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987 and reported unanimously on July 2 of that year that "although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been merely seeking to 'operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation,' this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of << enosis >> and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective." The committee continued: "Moreover, in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favor of <<enosis, >> in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution." (Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee prohibited any action likely to directly or indirectly promote union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect).
Professor Ernst Forsthoff, the neutral president of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus, told Die Welt on Dec. 27, 1963: "Makarios bears on his shoulders the sole responsibility for the recent tragic events. His aim is to deprive the Turkish community of their rights." In an interview with the UPI press agency on Dec. 30, 1963 he said, "All this happened because Makarios wanted to take away all constitutional rights from the Turkish Cypriots." The United Nations not only failed to condemn the forceable usurpation of the legal order in Cyprus, but actually rewarded it by treating the by then wholly Greek Cypriot administration as if it were the government of Cyprus (Security Council Res. 186 of 1964). This acceptance has continued to the present day, and reflects no credit upon the United Nations, nor upon Britain, nor the other countries who have acquiesced.
There you have it; the legitimacy of the United Nations. They totally didn't care about the Treaty of Guarantee, because Turkish lives just aren't important.
If your judge is completely on the side of one party and ignores the other's rights, we call that a "kangaroo court." Even if this court derives from a seemingly prestigious organization such as the United Nations, why should such a dishonest attitude be held legitimate?
Look at the nonsense from these documents. Regarding missing persons, I'm not saying people did not lost their lives unfairly at the hands of the Turks, no differently than many Iraqi civilians keep getting killed with the United States invasion. (In my country, we only read about American lives lost, because Muslim lives are just not important.) This is the ugly consequence of war, in this case, a war that was not started by the Turks.
But the missing persons issue appears also to be a blown-up affair. As the Stephen article went on to tell us:
On April 17, 1991, Ambassador Nelson Ledsky testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee that "most of the 'missing persons' disappeared in the first days of July 1974, before the Turkish intervention on the 20th. Many killed on the Greek side were killed by Greek Cypriots in fighting between supporters of Makarios and Sampson."
The (South) CYPRUS MAIL gave us a clear indication of this phenomenon. In October 27, 1995, they posted a piece entitled, THE TRUTH IS OUT? Below is the beginning excerpt:
So now the truth is out. We are not talking about 300 dead, or 45 dead, but 96 people killed during action in 1974 and that is only from an initial examination of 487 files out of 1,619 examined at the Attorney General s office.
Successive governments have a lot to answer to. First, why these people were put on the list of missing people in the first place., and why, now that the truth is out, relatives are not put to rest once and for all on the fate of their loved ones.
News of the existence of dead persons on the list was made public more than a month ago, a fact officially confirmed by President Clerides before his departure for the United States three weeks ago.
And for all this time, 1,619 families have been virtually sitting on hot coals wondering whether one of the numbers bandied about so nonchalantly concerns a person they haven t seen or heard for 21 years.
As a result of these findings, the Greek Cypriot administration lowered the toll of the missing from 1,619 to 1,493. I don't know what this number has been lowered to in the interim, since shocking new revelations kept getting published in the Greek Cypriot press regarding the Greek Cypriot missing persons.
The bad boy Turks kept getting blamed; the culprits turned out to be mostly Greek. But the biased West did not care. The biased West still does not care.
Finally, let's turn to the legality of the 1974 Turkish move.
Because of their fanatical nationalism, the Greek-Cypriots have been engaging in bloody massacres of their Turkish counterparts since the 1950s. The situation got so desperate, Greece, Turkey and Great Britain enacted the 1960 "Treaty of Guarantee." As the title implies, the treaty guarantees the right of the two minorities on the island.
Should one of the minorities get threatened by the other, the "mother countries" of both minorities were granted the legal right to come in and intervene.
That is what this treaty was about, enacted solely as a reaction against murderous Greek actions.
When 1974 rolled around, and the forces of Makarios and Sampson were at each other's throats, every Turkish-Cypriot knew the fate awaiting them. They did not need Sampson's admission of extermination plans seven years later.
Turkey did not invade the island. Turkey exercised her legal right to intervene.
Had Turkey not done so, there would have been no Turks left on the island. I realize that makes you Greek boys giddy with delight, but if you try and go down deep, and listen to your human hearts, you will realize that would not have been the moral action.
So all of these biased reports Phallanx posted are based on a foundation of lies and anti-Turkish prejudice. How do we know the move was a legal one? How do we know that Spartakus was partakusing in falsehood when he told us, "The situation is that a foreign state,Turkey, invaded illlegaly to another state..."?
Why, what better source to listen to than the Athens Court of Appeal? Its decision of March 21, 1979 read as follows:
"The Turkish intervention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the London-Zurich agreements, was legal. Turkey had, as one of the Guarantor Powers, the right to fulfill her obligation. The true guilty ones were the Greek Officers, who organised the coup and thereby created the conditions for an intervention."
Now why doesn't the U.N., the European Parliament, the Commission of Human Rights, the European Court of Human Rights, and certainly the Permanent Mission of Cyprus to the United Nations listen to the Athens court decision? We all know the answer to that question, gentlemen... and the answer has nothing to do with history, nor legality, nor morality.
Now , seriously ...do u BELIEVE that the Turkish co-forumers here , DO NOT know ALL these resolutions that u have posted ???
They DO know them....but they r instructed to DENY them in any way .... They dont mind at all if they r laughed while trying...
So , whatever proof u will bring ....they will find something to say ...it is forged , it is biased , it is not true , it is greek propaganda , we ( Turks ) r not responsible....the little green men from Mars did all these massacres ..we were only defenging our people..
Lots of times they use the other brilliant tactic....U ask a question ...they dont answer...and after 3 days they ask : What was the question again ?? So u rewrite the question and they "forget" again to answer..and they ask u again after 4-5 days..typical game...
The best part comes last....most of them , they r convinced that we r all buying what they mumble...Arent they natural born jesters..??
Personally , i had a very long time to laugh so much at such things.
So never and I do mean NEVER!!! question my sources again.
Unlike you, I only use documents that DO exist.
I do have more if you're not full yet.
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Adopted by the Security Council at its 1102th meeting,
on 4 March 1964
The Security Council,
Noting that the present situation with regard to Cyprus is likely to threaten
international peace and security and may further deteriorate unless additional
measures are promptly taken to maintain peace and to seek out a durable solution,
Considering the positions taken by the parties in relation to the Treaties
signed at Nicosia on 16 August 1960,
Having in mind the relevant provisions of the Charter of the United Nations
and its Article 2, paragraph 4, which reads: "All Members shall refrain in their
international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial
integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner
inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."
1. Calls upon all Member States, in conformity with their obligations under the
Charter of the United Nations, to refrain from any action or threat of action to
worsen the situation in the sovereign Republic of Cyprus, or to endanger
international peace;
2. Asks the Government of Cyprus, which has the responsibility for the maintenance
and restoration of law and order, to take all additional measures necessary to
stop violence and bloodshed in Cyprus;
3. Calls upon the communities in Cyprus and their leaders to act
with the utmost restraint;
4. Recommends the creation, with the consent of the Government of Cyprus, of a United Nations
Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus. The composition and size of the Force shall be
established by the Secretary-General, in consultation with the Governments of
Cyprus, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom. The commander of the Force shall
be appointed by the Secretary-General and report to him. The Secretary-General,
who shall keep the Governments providing the Force fully informed, shall report
periodically to the Security Council on its operation;
5. Recommends that the function of the Force should be in the interest of
preserving international peace and security, to use its best efforts to prevent
a recurrence of fighting and, as necessary, to contribute to the maintenance and
restoration of law and order and a return to normal conditions;
6. Recommends that the stationing of the Force shall be for a period of three
months, all costs pertaining to it being met, in a manner to be agreed upon by
them, by the Governments providing the contingents and by the Government of
Cyprus. The Secretary-General may also accept voluntary contributions for the
purpose;
7. Recommends further that the Secretary-General designate, in agreement with the
Government of Cyprus and the Governments of Greece, Turkey and United Kingdom a
mediator who shall use his best endeavors with the representatives of the
communities and also with the aforesaid four Governments, for the purpose of
promoting a peaceful solution and an agreed settlement of the problem
confronting Cyprus, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, having
in mind the well-being of the people as a whole and the preservation of
international peace and security. The mediator shall report periodically to the
Secretary-General on his efforts;
8. Requests the Secretary-General to provide, from funds of the United Nations, as
appropriate, for the remuneration and expenses of the mediator and his staff.
Adopted unanimously at the 1102nd meeting.
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Adopted by the Security Council at its 1143th meeting,
on 9 August 1964
The Security Council,
Concerned at the serious deterioration of the situation in Cyprus,
Reaffirming its resolutions 186 (1964) of 4 March 1964, 187(1964) of 13 March and 192(1964)
of 20 June 1964,
Anticipating the submission of the Secretary-General's report on the situation,
1.Reaffirms the appeal just addressed by the President of the Security Council to the
Governments of Turkey and Cyprus, worded as follows:
'The Security Council has authorized me to make an urgent appeal to the Government of
Turkey to cease instantly the bombardment of and the use of military force of
any kind against Cyprus, and to the Government of Cyprus to order the armed
forces under its control to cease firing immediately';
2.Calls for an immediate cease-fire by all concerned;
3.Calls upon all concerned to cooperate fully with the Commander of the United Nations
Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus in the restoration of peace and security;
4.Calls upon all states to refrain from any action that might exacerbate the situation or
contribute to the broadening of hostilities.
Adopted at the 1143rd meeting by 9 votes to none, with 2 abstentions Czechoslovakia,
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
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Adopted by the Security Council at its 1771st meeting,
on 20 July 1974
The Security Council,
Having considered the report of the Secretary-General, at its 1779th
meeting, about the recent developments in Cyprus,
Having heard the statement of the President of the Republic of Cyprus
and the statements of the representatives of Cyprus, Turkey, Greece and other
Member States,
Noting also from the report the conditions prevailing in the
island,
Deeply deploring the outbreak of violence and the continuing
bloodshed,
Gravely concerned about the situation which has led to a serious
threat to international peace and security, and which has created a most
explosive situation in the whole Eastern Mediterranean area,
Equally concerned about the necessity to restore the constitutional
structure of the Republic of Cyprus, established and guaranteed by international
agreements,
Conscious of its primary responsibility for the maintenance of
international peace and security in accordance with Article 24 of the Charter of
the United Nations,
1.Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and
territorial integrity of Cyprus.
2.Calls upon all parties to the present fighting as a first step to
cease all firing and requests all States to exercise the utmost restraint and to
refrain from any action which might further aggravate the situation;
3.Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the
Republic of Cyprus that is in contravention of the provisions of paragraph 1
above;
4. Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus
of foreign military personnel present otherwise than under the authority of
international agreements, including those whose withdrawal was requested by the
President of the Republic of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios, in his letter of 2
July 1974;
5. Calls upon Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Northern Ireland to enter into negotiations without delay for the
restoration of peace in the area and constitutional government of Cyprus and to
keep the Secretary-General informed;
6. Calls upon all parties to co-operate fully with the United Nations
Peace-keeping Force in Cyprus to enable it to carry out its mandate;
7. Decides to keep the situation under constant review and asks the
Secretary-General to report as appropriate with a view to adopting further
measures in order to ensure that peaceful conditions are restored as soon as
possible.
Adopted unanimously at the 1781st meeting.
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.ht m
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Adopted by the Security Council at its 1793rd meeting,
on 15 August 1974
The Security Council,
Deeply concerned about the continuation of violence and bloodshed in
Cyprus,
Deeply deploring the non-compliance with its resolution 357 (1974) of
14 August 1974,
1. Recalls its resolutions 353 (1974) of 20 July, 354 (1974) of 23
July, 355 (1974) of 1 August 1974 and 357 (1974),
2. Insists on the full implementation of the above resolutions
by all parties and on the immediate and strict observance of the cease-fire.
Adopted unanimously at the 1793rd meeting.
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr358.htm
To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
Adopted by the Security Council at its 1792nd meeting,
on 14 August 1974
The Security Council,
Reaffirming its resolutions 353 (1974) of 20 July, 354 (1974) of 23
July and 355 (1974) of 1 August 1974,
Deeply deploring the resumption of fighting in Cyprus, contrary to the
provisions of its resolution 353 (1974),
1. Reaffirms its resolutions 353 (1974) in all its provisions and calls upon
the parties concerned to implement those provisions without delay;
2. Demands that all parties to the present fighting cease all firing and
military action forthwith;
3. Calls for the resumption of negotiations without delay for the restoration
of peace in the area and constitutional government in Cyprus, in accordance with
resolution 353 (1974);
4. Decides to remain seized of the situation and on instant call to meet as
necessary to consider what more effective measures may be required if the
cease-fire is not respected.
Adopted unanimously at the 1792nd meeting.
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr357.htm
To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
Noting from the report of the Secretary-General of 9 June 1975
(S/11717), that in the existing circumstances the presence of the United Nations
Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus is still needed to perform the tasks it is
currently undertaking if the cease-fire is to be maintained in the island and
the search for a peaceful settlement facilitated,
Noting from the report the conditions prevailing in the island,
Noting further that, in paragraphs 67 and 68 of his report, the
Secretary-General has expressed the view, in connection with the talks in Vienna
between representatives of the two communities held pursuant to resolution
367(1975) of 12 March 1975, that the negotiating process should be maintained
and, if possible, accelerated and that its success would require from all
parties determination, understanding and a willingness to make reciprocal
gestures,
Noting also the statement by the Secretary-General contained in
paragraph 69 of his report that the parties concerned had signified their
concurrence in his recommendations that the Security Council extend the
stationing of the Force in Cyprus for a further period of six months,
Noting that the Government of Cyprus has agreed that in view of the
prevailing conditions in the island it is necessary to keep the Force in Cyprus
beyond 15 June 1975,
1. Reaffirms the provisions of resolution 186(1964) of 4 March 1964,
as well as subsequent resolutions and decisions on the establishment and
maintenance of UNFICYP and on other aspects of the situation in Cyprus;
2. Reaffirms once again its resolution 365(1974) of 13 December 1974,
by which it endorsed General Assembly resolution 3212(XXIX) adopted unanimously
on 1 November, 1974, and calls for their urgent and effective implementation and
that of its resolution 367(1975);
3. Urges the parties concerned to act with the utmost restraint and to
continue and accelerate determined co-operative efforts to achieve the
objectives of the Security Council;
4. Extends once more the stationing in Cyprus of the United Nations
Peace-Keeping Force, established under Security Council resolution 186(1964) for
a further period ending 15 December 1975, in the expectation that by then
sufficient progress towards a final solution will make possible a withdrawal or
substantial reduction of the Force;
5. Appeals again to all parties concerned to extend their full
co-operation to the United Nations, Peace-Keeping Force in the continuing
performance of its duties;
6. Requests the Secretary-General to continue the mission of good
offices entrusted to him by paragraph 6 of resolution 367(1975) to keep the
Security Council informed of the progress made and to submit an interim report
by 15 September 1975 and a definite report not later than 15 December, 1975.
Adopted at the 1830th meeting by 14 votes to none. One member (China) did not
participate in the voting.
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The Unilateral Declaration of Independence
(UDI)
of the Turkish occupied part of Cyprus
in violation of International Law and
UN Security Council Resolutions>
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November 15, 2000
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November 15 marks
seventeen years since the illegal regime in the occupied part of Cyprus, with
the encouragement of the Turkish government, unilaterally declared independence
in violation of international law and of the treaties of establishment and
guarantees of the Republic of Cyprus. That illegal act was condemned by the UN
Security Council in its resolution 541(1983) which called upon the Turkish side
to withdraw the illegal UDI and to stop all secessionist acts. It further called
upon all states not to facilitate in any way the secessionist entity and not to
recognize any other state than the Republic of Cyprus. >
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Instead of
complying with resolution 541 (1983), Turkey and its regime in the occupied area
proceeded in six months with a further secessionist act by exchanging
ambassadors.The UN Security
Council, having considered the situation at the request of the Government of the
Republic of Cyprus adopted resolution 550 (1984). The Council expressed grave
concern about the further secessionist acts in the occupied part of the
Republic of Cyprus which are in violation of resolution 541 (1983), namely the
purported exchange of Ambassadors between Turkey and the legally invalid
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the contemplated holding of a
Constitutional referendum and elections, as well as by other actions
aimed at further consolidating the purported independent state and the division
of Cyprus.
Turkey which
ignores all UN resolutions calling, inter alia, for respect of the sovereignty,
territorial integrity and independence of the Republic of Cyprus, aims at
destroying the Republic of Cyprus and establishing two separate states on the
islandlegitimizing in that way her
act of aggression against Cyprus.This
policy has been persistently pursued by Turkeyand the Turkish Cypriot regime in the occupied northern part and it is
now openly advocated as the official position of the Turkish side in the
negotiations for an overall settlement. >
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From the time of
its invasion, Turkey follows a step by step policy aiming at altering the
demographic structure in the occupied part by bringing in settlers from Turkey
and at changing the character of that part.Ancient toponyms have been changed and been given Turkish names, churches
have been destroyed and the Greek Cypriot population has been driven out of its
place of birth. These policies together with a total negative behavior by Turkey
on the negotiating table to reach a comprehensive settlement on the basis of the
UN resolutions, aim at creating with the passage of time faits accomplis for the
partition of the island. >
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The Turkish
Government and its illegal regime should come to realize that the illegal entity
in the northern occupied part created and sustained by the use of force, exists
in violation of international law and that it is not possible for the
international community to ever legalize the results of an invasion and
occupation. They should also realize that being in defiance of international law
and UN resolutions, they only lead the Turkish Cypriot Community to further
economic and political isolation.>
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Turkey is looking forward to enhance its
relations with the European Union and is already a candidate country for
becoming a member of the European Union. It is ourhope and the hope of all concerned that in its road to Europe will adopt
a new behavior characterized by European standards and by the respect of human
rights and international law. In this framework we hope that Turkeys attitude
towards Cyprus will change fundamentally thus permitting a just and viable
solution to the Cyprus problem.
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http://www.un.int/cyprus/pr151100.htm
To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
Having considered the situation in Cyprus at the request of the
Government of the Republic of Cyprus,
Having heard the statement made by the President of the Republic of
Cyprus,
Taking note of the report of the Secretary-General (S/16519),
Recalling its resolutions 365(1974), 367(1975), 541(1983) and
544(1983),
Deeply regretting the non-implementation of its resolutions, in
particular resolution 541(1983),
Gravely concerned about the further secessionist acts in the occupied
part of the Republic of Cyprus which are in violation of resolution 541(1983),
namely the purported "exchange of Ambassadors" between Turkey and the
legally invalid "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" and the
contemplated holding of a "Constitutional referendum" and
"elections", as well as by other actions or threats of action aimed at
further consolidating the purported independent state and the division of
Cyprus,
Deeply concerned about recent threats for settlement of Varosha by
people other than its inhabitants,
Reaffirming its continuing support for the United Nations
Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,
1. Reaffirms its resolution 541(1983) and calls for its urgent and
effective implementation,
2. Condemns all secessionist actions, including the purported exchange
of Ambassadors between Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot leadership, declares them
illegal and invalid and calls for their immediate withdrawal;
3. Reiterates the call upon all States not to recognise the purported
state of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" set up by
secessionist acts and calls upon them not to facilitate or in any way assist the
aforesaid secessionist entity;
4. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence,
territorial integrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;
5. Considers attempts to settle any part of Varosha by people other
than its inhabitants as inadmissible and calls for the transfer of this area to
the administration of the United Nations;
6. Considers any attempts to interfere with the status or the
deployment of the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus as contrary to
the resolutions of the United Nations;
7. Requests the Secretary-General to promote the urgent implementation
of Security Council resolution 541(1983);
8. Reaffirms its mandate of good offices given to the Secretary
General and requests him to undertake new efforts to attain an overall solution
to the Cyprus problem in conformity with the principles of the Charter of the
United Nations and the provisions for such a settlement laid down in the
pertinent United Nations resolutions, including Security Council resolution
541(1983) and the present resolution;
9. Calls upon all parties to cooperate with the Secretary-General in
his mission of good offices;
10. Decides to remain seized of the situation with a view to taking
urgent and appropriate measures in the event of non-implementation of its
resolution 541(1983) and the present resolution;
11. Requests the Secretary-General to promote the implementation of
the resolution and to report thereon to the Security Council as developments
require.
Adopted at the 2539th meeting by 13 votes to 1 (Pakistan) with 1 abstention
(United States of America).
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm
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UN General Assembly Resolution 3212 (XXIX)
The General Assembly adopted on the evening of 1st November, 1974,
resolution 3212(XXIX) by 117 votes in favour, none against and no
abstentions.
The resolution reads as follows:
The General Assembly,
Having considered the question of Cyprus,
Gravely concerned about the continuation of the Cyprus crisis, which constitutes a threat to international peace and security,
Mindful of the need to solve this crisis without delay by peaceful
means, in accordance with the purposes and principles of the United
Nations,
Having heard the statements in the debate and taking note of the Report
of the Special Political Committee on the Question of Cyprus,
1. Calls upon all states to respect the sovereignty, independence,
territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and
to refrain from all acts and interventions directed against it;
2. Urges the speedy withdrawal of all foreign armed forces and foreign
military presence and personnel from the Republic of Cyprus and the
cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;
3. Considers that the constitutional system of the Republic of Cyprus
concerns the Greek-Cypriot and Turkish-Cypriot communities;
4. Commends the contacts and negotiations taking place on an equal
footing, with the good offices of the Secretary-General between the
representatives of the two communities, and calls for their
continuation with a view to reaching freely a mutually acceptable
political settlement, based on their fundamental and legitimate rights;
5. Considers that all the refugees should return to their homes in
safety and calls upon the parties concerned to undertake urgent
measures to that end;
6. Expresses the hope that, if necessary, further efforts including
negotiations can take place, within the framework of the United
Nations, for the purpose of implementing the provisions of the present
resolution, thus ensuring to the Republic of Cyprus its fundamental
right to independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity;
7. Requests the Secretary-General to continue to provide United Nations
humanitarian assistance to all parts of the population of Cyprus and
calls upon all states to contribute to that effort;
8. Calls upon all parties to continue to cooperate fully with the
United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus, which may be strengthened
if necessary;
9. Requests the Secretary-General to continue to lend his good offices to the parties concerned;
10. Further requests the Secretary-General to bring the present resolution to the attention of the Security Council.
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The United Nations General Assembly adopted on May13, 1983, resolution 37/253
on Cyprus. The vote on the resolution was 103 in favor and 5 against with 20
abstentions. The votes against the resolution were cast by Bangladesh, Malaysia,
Pakistan, Somalis and Turkey.
Following is the text of the resolution:
The General Assembly,
Having considered the question of Cyprus,
Recalling its resolution 3212(XXIX) of 1 November 1974 and its subsequent
resolutions on the question of Cyprus,
Recalling the high-level agreements of 12 February 1977 and 19 May 1979,
Reaffirming the principle of the inadmissibility of occupation and acquisition
of territories by force,
Greatly concerned at the prolongation of the Cyprus crisis, which poses
serious threat to international peace and security,
Deeply regretting that the resolutions of the United Nations on Cyprus have
not yet been implemented,
Recalling the idea of holding an international conference on Cyprus,
Deploring the fact that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus is
till occupied by foreign forces,
Deploring the lack of progress in the intercommunal talks,
Deploring all unilateral actions that change the demographic structure of
Cyprus to promote faits accomplis,
Reaffirming the need to settle the question of Cyprus without further delay
by peaceful means in accordance with the provitions of the Charter of the United
Nations and the relevant United Nations resolutions,
1. Reiterates its full support for the sovereignty, independence, territorial
itegrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and calls once again
for the cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;
2. Affirms the right of the Republic of Cyprus and its people to full and
effective sovereignty and the control over the entire territory of Cyprus and
its natural and other resources and calls upon all states to support and help
the Government of the Republic of Cyprus to exercise these rights;
3. Condemns any act which tends to undermine the full and effective exercise
of the above-mentioned rights, including the unlawful issues of titles of ownership
of property;
4. Welcomes the proposal for total demilitarization made by the President of
the Republic of Cyprus;
5. Expresses its support for the high-level agreements of 12 February 1977
and 19 May 1979 and all the provisions thereof;
6. Demands the immediate and effective implementation of resolution
3212(XXIX), unanimously adopted by the General Assembly and endorsed by the
Security Council in its resolution 365(1974) of 13 December (1974), and of the
subsequent resolutions of the Assembly and the Council on Cyprus, which provide
the valid and essential basis for the solution of the problem of Cyprus;
7. Considers the withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic of
Cyprus as an essential basis for a speedy and mutually acceptable solution of
the Cyprus problem;
8. Demand s the immediate withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic
pf Cyprus;
9. Commends the intensification of the efforts made by the Secretary-General,
while noting with concern the lack of progress in the intercommunal talks;
10. Calls for meaningful, result-oriented, constructive and substantive
negotiations between the representatives of the two communities, to be conducted
freely on an equal footing on the basis of relevant United Nations
resolutions and the high level agreements, with a view to reaching as early as
possible a mutually acceptable agreement based on the fundamental and legitimate
right of the two communities;
11. Calls for respect of the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all
Cypriots, including the freedom of movement, the freedom of settlement and the
right to property and the instituting of urgent measures for the voluntary
return of the refugees to their homes in safety;
12. Considers that the de facto situation created by the force of arms should
not be allowed to influence or in any way affect the solution of the problem of Cyprus;
13. Calls upon the parties concerned to refrain from any unilateral action
which might adversely effect the prospects of a just and lasting solution of the
problem of Cyprus by peaceful means and to cooperate fully with the
Secretary-General in the performance of his task under the relevant
resolutions of the General Assembly and the Security Council as well as with the
United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus;
14. Calls upon the parties concerned to refrain from any action which
violates or is designed to violate the independence, unity, sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus;
15. Reiterates its recommendation that the Security Council should examine
the question of the implementation, within a specified time-frame, of its
relevant resolutions and consider and adopt thereafter, if necessary, all
appropriate and practical measures under the Charter of the United Nations for
ensuring the speedy and effective implementation of the resolutions of the
United Nations on Cyprus;
16. Welcomes the intention of the Secretary-General, as expressed in his
report (Doc. A/37/805 of 6/5/1983), to pursue a renewed personal involvement in
the quest for a solution of the Cyprus problem and, in view of this,
requests the Secretary General to undertake such actions or initiatives as he
may consider appropriate within the framework of the mission of good offices
entrusted to him by the Security Council fro promoting a just and lasting
solution of the problem and to report to the General Assembly as its
thirty-eighth session on the results of his efforts;
17. Decides to include the provisional agenda of its thirty-eighth session
the item entitled "Question of Cyprus" and requests the Secretary-General
to follow up the implementation of the present resolution and to report on all
its aspects to the General Assembly at that session.
Separate vote on paragraph 8
A separate vote was taken on operative paragraph 8, which was approved by 89
votes in favor, 5 against and 27 abstentions.
Separate vote on paragraph 15
A separate vote was also taken on operative paragraph 15 which was approved
by 86 votes in favor, 8 against and 25 abstentions.
http://www.un.int/cyprus/Res37253GA.htm
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