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    Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 21:03

This plan is a Joke?

 

All Bosnians no matter of Ideology, will say no to this plan. Bosnia should be devided and the Rest called Croato-Bosnian Federation.

 

 

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they should just merge the area into one big country and clone Tito to keep it in line.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 05:00
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Heh..albanian kosovo..how redicilously cute.

Kosovo is, and should be, Serbian. Enough said.

Yeah, give Kosova to Serbians again and they would murder, torture and rape them again! What a constant ideology of those who never learn something (diots)...


If Kosovo becomes Albanian this means new wars, if  it stays Serbian this means new  terrorists!
And now people of Kosovo murder, torture and etc Serbians! Decision is not so simple!
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If Kosovo becomes Albanian this means new wars, if it stays Serbian this means new terrorists!


Right. ERROR: Ignorance detected. Terminate thread? (Y/N) Please gain some insight into the conflict before blindly yelping out useless garbage. I'd appreciate it.

And now people of Kosovo murder, torture and etc Serbians! Decision is not so simple!


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ok...Kosovo should be Serbian...like Lwow should be Polish
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2005 at 21:45
Kosovo is their most important historical place (i believe). Since when did it become claimed by Albanians. As for macedonia - the people are of bulgarian origin and speak the language as dielect as stated earlier. The area (unless occupied) and the people have always been bulgarian since mac. became bulgarian over 1000 years ago

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Just short explanation it's very funny and stupid to explane against that FOPOGreek-Bulgarian Antimacedonian propaganda.I'm Macedonian ,not Bulgarian,not serbian,not greek ,not albanian, but just MACEDONIAN who is proud to Macedonian history,who speak Macedonian Language etc.I think you know what i'm trying to say.

And about the map that is exactly what FOPOG want ,MACEDONIA TO BE ERASED OF THE MAP,and you know why beacause they are afraid to lose Aegean part of Macedonia or how they call it Greek macedonia.

This are maps of Macedonia,United Macedonia.

 

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THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE

Македонс 82;и език

 

The Macedonian Language was create in Yugoslavia in 1944 to divide Bulgarians from Bulgarians after 30 years unsuccessful Serbian assimilation attempt. The 'Berlin Wall' in the Balkan didn't succeed half a century. See the boundary of the Bulgarian nation - 

The Bulgarian Exarchate 1870  

BULGARIAN-EXARCHATE.jpg (113329 bytes)Click on the image to see the map*

- recognized and respected by Turkey, Greece and Serbia till 1912, when Greece and Serbia  desire to expand territories of neighbors cost. The Macedonians voted overwhelmingly to join the Exarchate.

Please click on the link below to see the Sultan's Ferman:

 Sultans Ferman for the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate.

THE COLLAPSE OF YUGOSLAVIA AND THE FUTURE PROSPECTS OF THE MACEDONIAN LITERARY LANGUAGE

(A LATE CASE OF GLOSSOTOMY?)

 Otto Kronsteiner (Österreich)

 click on the flag for Bulgarian language

            "The split of a language into two is something which the greatest fantasts in the world have not dared do. Our scholars, however, did it for political, rather than linguistic considerations." Leonida Lari, Rumanian writer from Moldova, (Literatura si arta am 18.8.1988)

There are quite a few European languages spoken outside their "own" country: for instance German in Germany, but also in Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg,: Denmark, Belgium, Poland, Russia; Spanish in Spain, but also in Argentina, Chile, Bolivia etc. But nowhere a necessity has come to being, neither an attempt has been made to father a new (official) language (Austrian, Liechtensteinian, Argentinian, Chilien etc.) despite apparent differences emerging in the usage of the languages.

Many minority languages have never had their own state, others have had - though for a short time. Nevertheless, they have kept their integrity in the course of centuries, and have patiently waited for their recognition. This holds good of Ladinian, Basque, Sardian, Catalan and others. Quite to the contrary, there has never been a necessity for the creation of a spedal literary language to serve the Bulgarian-speaking Slavs residing outside Bulgaria (for example, in Vardar or Aegean Macedonia, Albania, Serbia, Rumania, Ukraine). Similarly, there had never been a Macedonian linguistic community dreaming for centuries on end to be recognised for its linguistic uniqueness.

As late as the XX-th c. the method of linguistic partition (glossotomy) [1] would be repeatedly applied, motivated politically, rather than linguistically. In the West (as was the case of Slovenian Nindian) those attempts crashed and burned. In the East however, forcefully conceived languages under communism (socialism) (Rumanian/Moldovan [2]; Finnish/Karelian; Tatar/Bashkir; Turkish/Gagaouz) did survive to live a longer 'life' thanks to political coercion. Those who refused to accept language partition would be proclaimed nationalists and treated in the respective way. In politics, language partition was counted upon as a way to reinforce the new political borders, thus eliminating the feeling of one-time belonging to a certain community. [3] The strategies behind the fathering of such new languages in the communist regions would follow one and the same principles.

One scholar (or a handful united in a group) would publish an orthography, grammar, dictionary, bilingual dictionaries (but, note, never from the old to the new language, that is, never Rumanian- Moldovan, but Moldovan-Russian for example, or others). Shortly, they would publish a historical grammar, a history of the language, as well as a history of the new nation. Further, as "flank" initiatives, an Academy of Sciences, a National Theatre and a National Folk Ensemble would be established. In the meantime, a national literature was bound to shape up, and the first writer to venture in any genre, would be proclaimed a great playwright, novelist or Iyrist on the new language. [4] All that in its turn, called to life a literary history. The political accompaniment to the whole affair would be a most characteristic sentence in the communist countries: notably, that the (new) language was "a remarkable achievement serving the entire cultural complex". And, the direction to follow derived from the (unvoiced) formulation: "the worse the old language is treated, the better for the new one", that is, the worse Roumanian is being spoken/spelled, the better for Moldovan, which would be more correctly spoken/spelled. And, this entailed a deepening of the artificial gulf between the old and the new tongue (even by the use of force). All that holds good of the Macedonian literary language ( македонс 82;иот jазик).

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Date of creation: 1944

Place of creation: The Socialist Republic of Macedonia (within the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) - the "Prohor Pcinski" monastery.

Used by: some 1 000 000 Bulgarians (in Macedonia).

Oldest literary monument: "New Macedonia" newspaper.

Fabrications:
 

    H. Lunt, A Grammar of the Macedonian Literary Language, Skopje, 1952.

    While T. Stamatoski (also Stamatov, Stamatovski) wrote back in 1986 on the struggle for Macedonian literary language, looking back and ahead in future at the same time (?) , Blaze Koneski had already (3 years before) told the "Communist" (1376, from July 29, 1983) the story of the endorsement and the introduction of this literary language A most ridiculous text is the historical phonology of the new language fathered in 1944 (B. Koneski, A Historical Phonology of the Macedonian Language, Heidelberg, 1983).

A major departure was effected, not only from the Bulgarian language, but also from its rich literary heritage, as well as from the world literature in translation. However, something had to be saved, and it was done by encroaching upon the miscellany of songs by the Miladinov brothers, born in Macedonia, and which had been originally entitled "Bulgarian Folk Songs", (1861) containing songs from Struga, Okhrida, Prilep, Kukus, Kostur and from other parts of Vardar and Aegean Macedonia. In 1962 it came out in Skopie under the forged title of "Miscellany", with a forged "Macedonian" text, and on top of everything else, labelled "the most outstanding work ever published, of the Macedonian literature.
 

On the name (glossonym) Macedonian

The adjective Macedonian (in Bulgarian: ; in Greek: , in Albanian: maqedonas) was out ot use as a glossonym prior to 1944. Until then, Macedonian used to be an adjective (designating the region (toponym) of Macedonia).[5] So-ever since 1944 it has scarcely been clear whether the toponym or the glossonym is actually meant under the word Macedonian, which caused a confusion of notions (deliberately provoked, too), that worked in favour of the reinforcement of the myths of the Macedonian nation. The impression was created as if this same language since time immemorial, has been the language of the "country" Macedonia. Alexander the Great was Macedonian. Cyril and Methodius were Macedonians, and Kemal Ataturk too, was Macedonian (a fact which is often suppressed). Neither of those however, had anything in common with the Macedonian literary language of Mr. Blaze Koneski (i.e. Blagoj Konev). And for the delusion to be complete, the textbooks in history and geography read: "In the Socialist Republic of Macedonia there live Macedonians, Albanians, Turks etc." This downright usurpation of ethnic names seems the right tool of forcible differentiation (compare: the French, Bretons, Basques - all of them nationals of France) etc., instead of the French French, the Breton French, the Basque French or (given the common territory of a nation), the French Bretons, the French Basques etc. It would be right to say: the Bulgarian Macedonians, the Albanian Macedonians, the Turkish Macedonians etc. (in this case, the residents of the republic of Macedonia), or, as it had been generally accepted to say by 1944 (e.g. Veigand) - the Macedonian Bulgarians, Macedonian Albanians, Macedonian Turks, etc. (given the common territory of a nation). And, since through the new Macedonian language, erstwhile Bulgarian ceased to exist officially (!), that is, it became a (strongly estranged) foreign language, the glossonym and the ethnonym Bulgarian disappeared too.

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On the orthographyof the Macedonian literary language

Similarly to the case with Moldovan, when the Cyrillic script was introduced to distance it from Roumanian, the Macedonian glossotomists decided to adopt the Serbian alphabet (respectively, orthography) including letters having become more or less a myth (instead of the Bulgarian , , as well as the Serbian .) . The core of the Macedonian alphabet is actually lying in these two letters and their phonetic materialisation. Hence the joke: Macedonian is Bulgarian typed on a Serbian type-writer. Had the Bulgarian orthography been applied to the new language, everyone would take it for Bulgarian (despite the peripheral nature of the basic dialect chosen), just like the dialectally tinged texts by Ludwig Toma and Peter Poseger, which are taken for German ones.
 

On the dialectal basis of the Macedonian literary language

A very special trick of the Macedonian glossotomists was the choice of the peripheral dialectal area as the dialectal basis of the new language. It lies precisely on the Serbian-Bulgarian language boundary, hence, it represents a transitional dialect to Serbian. Another town could have been chosen instead of Skopie as capital (in the linguistic aspect too), such as Okhrida, but it would have made the difference with Bulgarian hardly discernable. The inner structure of the new language follows lexically and morphologically [6] the Serbian model enforced through the Belgrade Radio and TV, received everywhere. The new language served the rule: the more non-Bulgarian, the more Macedonian! The strengthening of the Serbian influence meant Macedonia's estrangement from Bulgaria politically and culturally as well [7] (something passed unnoticed by Europe). Bulgarian studies were not taught in Yugoslavia's universities, as they were replaced by Macedonian studies (and that, needless to say, held good of Skopje). Bulgarian was converted into an anti-language.

In the lingual-geographic aspect, the "Macedonian" dialects were declared all too unique, having nothing in common with Bulgarian. This explains why a Macedonian dialectal atlas was never released. Every dialectologist is well aware that there is no dialectical boundary to separate Bulgaria from Macedonia, and that intrinsic Macedonian peculiarities (such as the triple article,  instead of , etc.) are common in Bulgaria too. Hence, the whole thing smells of Stalin-styled misinformation which was successful in misleading even some representatives of "critical" Slavonic studies in the West. [8]
 

Who was in need of linguistic partition (glossotomy)?

Since in all the cases (in the communist region) of linguistic partition the underlying strategy would be quite the same, the question arises whether it is also valid for the functioning of that mechanism. The method of 'splitting' would be applied not only to languages, but also to the history of nations, and to entire nations. And as in neither of those cases people's will had been consulted, it is thus far unclear where the central stage players had actually seen the sense, for themselves, their country and their policy. It is surprising that together with the states (The Soviet Union and Yugoslavia) the purpose would be lost behind these language partitions, given it was related to a centralized state policy. The latter would unite on the one hand, and divide, on the other. Within the framework of the Soviet Union, Ukraine and Byelorussia had to be russified, whereas, the Turkish- speaking peoples would be partitioned in the smallest possible portions. For its part, Yugoslavia had been pursuing a language and cultural assimilation with a Serbian emphasis (see: "Directive" by Garasanin). All this attests to the moral (!) integrity of science which has never been short of people for such tasks. As to the Serbian policy, it did not resort to similar language partition against the Yugoslav Albanians and Turks - they were actually deprived of all their rights; they were not considered nations at all, but rather a "minority" in its worst connotation, although they were prevalent in some areas. The assimilation effort against linguistically closer Bulgarian Macedonians, however, was much more apparent. For the sence of historical truth we should note that those assimilation efforts do not date back to socialist Yugoslavia, but even earlier, to the Serbian-Croatian-Slovenian Kingdom and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Yet they could score success only under socialism with its methods - in the post-1944 period. No wonder then that the Albanians do not tend to associate with the new Republic of Macedonia, while as far the "macedonized" Bulgarian Macedonians are concerned, it seems at least, they. do. I do not subscribe to any annexations (Anschlsse), something I feel alien to, being Austrian; I believe that the Slav Macedonians are bound to re-think the roots of their identity which as of 1944, has been resting on a diffuse feeling of being Yugoslav. Any single piece of criticism against the new, Macedonian language is by rule interpreted as a blow against Yugoslavia. Thus, the whole thing has boiled to overcoming the past since historical falsehood and forgery could not but influence younger generations who now suffer the copse-i quenches of national nihilism. The generation of today identifies itself with neither Serbia, nor Bulgaria. We can hardly deny the emergence of initial symptoms of a new identity. Here is one example from among many: the complete separation back in 1967, of the Macedonian from the Serbian-Orthodox church (though the former has never been recognized by the latter). [9] The degree of serbization however is considerable, which is indicative of the power of the Serbo-phile nomenclature in Macedonia.

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Linguistic chaos

For the constructors of a language, and of the Macedonian literary language too, it is no problem at all to invent linguistic norms. The actual difficulty is whether these norms are applicable. The ways to say something on the one hand, and to spell it on the other, have always differed, yet the question is: Who speaks this language? Macedonians themselves can be heard to say quite often: we have no command of this language, we have not studied it. The immediate impression is how very uncertain such Macedonians feel linguistically. It transpires in every single piece of conversation, how tough it is for them to "stick" to this language. [10] Soon one is in trouble guessing whether what is spoken is bad Bulgarian, or bad Serbian. Anyway, no impression is left of a linguistic identity (unlike the case with Ladinian or Catalan). Talking with Macedonians, one is overwhelmed by compassion over their linguistic confusion. Such a language can be defined negatively: by stating what it is not. The drive to replace the nationality of the Macedonians, making them Serbian, has actually called to life a kind of a creole tongue, which for its part might be helpful to the Serbians some generations later to 'recommend' to the Macedonians Serbian as a literary language. And, in its current capacity of a literary Language, Macedonian is open to Serbian, with the latter supplying the former. As to Bulgarian, it has fallen in total isolation.

With the political situation of today pregnant with options for new orientation, this destructive process needs to be contained, despite the deep traces it has left in the course of its 50-year-long development. I will refrain from forecasts as to the future direction linguistic development is likely to take. However, one thing is certain: the present situation is quite unsatisfactory. Moreover, fears remain that there are quite a few people in Skopje, who might try to accomplish what has already been started. If so, a precedent for Europe might emerge when political glossotomy being a preliminary stage leading up to linguistic, respectively ethnic, changes, has turned out to be successful.

In view of the common, older than a millennium Bulgarian history, we can hope that political objectives resting upon numerous lies, will ultimately fail. Otherwise, the televised statement of a Serbian tchetnik on the Austrian Tv' might become a sad truth, notably, that Macedonians were not using a normal tongue, but a hotchpotch of Serbian plus Bulgarian words, hence, the Macedonians belonged to Serbia.

The fact that an American, Horace Lunt is the author of the Grammar of the Macedonian Literary Language (Skopje, 1952), the first grammar-book of Macedonian (!) paving the way for a literary language tailored by the communists, attests to the profound "insight" Americans show in European problems.
 

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Ways to tackle the "Macedonian problem":

1) Leaving behind the bilingual theory.

2) Wider access for Bulgarian so that it can be used parallel to the current form of the Macedonian literary language.

3) Optional teaching of Bulgarian in primary and secondary schools.

4) Establishment of an Institute of Bulgarian Language and Literature a1 the University of Skopje.

5) Usage of the Bulgarian alphabet (orthography) for the current form of the Macedonian literary language.

6) Lifting all restrictions over the free exchange of newspapers, magazines and literature between Macedonia and Bulgaria.

7) Linguistic integration by way of joint radio and TV broadcasts, as well as theatre shows and recitals in the two countries.

8) Creation of a joint institution on the Macedonian-Bulgarian linguistic matters. (The linguistic convergence could intensify in this way).

9) Avoidance of further serbization of the language.

10) Exchange of works of history between the two

11) The right of free choice of a surname.

12) Joint effort on behalf of Macedonia and Bulgaria for the recognition of the Slav-Bulgarian ethnic group in Aegean Macedonia (Greece) in compliance with the principles of the European minority rights (see: the linguistic map in "Die slawischen Sprachen" 15/1988).

13) Recognition of minorities based on uniform principles.

14) Observance of accurate terminology with regard to residents of Macedonia (Bulgarian Macedonians, Albanian Macedonians, Turkish Macedonians etc.) and of Bulgaria (Bulgarian Bulgarians, Turkish Bulgarians, Macedonian Bulgarians etc.) .

Translated by Daniela Konstantinova
 


1. See: DSS 14/1988: 23-66 (H. Goebl, Glottonymie, Glossotomie und Schizoglossie. Drei sprachpolitisch bedeutsame Begriffe).

2. See: DSS 19/1989: 11 5-i40 (K. Heitmann, Probleme der moldavischen Sprache in der Ara Gorbachov).

3. In the case of the Turkic peoples in the USSR, there were fears over the possible emergence of Pan-Turkic movements.

4. Compare, the valuable notes by Izo Kamartin, a specialist in Romansh (Nichts als Worte?) Ein Pladoyer fur Kleinsprachen. Zurich Mnchen, 1985: 171 - Eine Kleine Literatur...)

5. P. Koledarov, ާ֧ ѧܧ֧էߧڧ ڧڧ֧ܧѧ ԧ֧ԧѧڧ, Sofia, 1985; H.R. Wilkinson, Maps and Politics, A Review of the Ethnographic Cartography of Macedonia, Liverpool, 1951.

6. Even surnames with the Bulgarian ending -os/-es were refashioned into -ܧ or -ܧ ( Serbian -). Thus, Georgiev would turn into Georgievski or Georgievi.

7. My own experience testifies to how very anxious Serbia was over cutting off any contact between Bulgaria and Macedonia. After the First International Congress of Bulgaran Studies closed (1981), I was traveling home from Sofia, when I was held for 5 hours at the Serbian border (in Gradina/Dimitrovgrad). There a UDBA-group from Nish started a lengthy inquiry, followed by taking away various Bulgarian books and magazines they found in my car. And since I wanted to speak in Bulgarian, they told me to use a normal (Serbian?) language. They accused me of being a Bulgarian spy employed by the Bulgarian secret services. Further I was warned that if I persisted in manifesting anti-Yugoslav sentiments (non-acceptance of the Macedonian language?), I had to suffer the respective consequences.

8. While in Slavonic and Romance studies and in general linguistics there was not a hint of hesitation as to the linguistic features of the region by World War II, after the war the view and stands of quite a few students of Slavonic studies concerning the Macedonian problem, could be singled out for their exceptional naively. The latter could very well be in some relation with summer courses in Macedonia at the fascinating Ohrid lake, or else with the awarding of the title of corresponding member of the Macedonian Academy of Sciences.

An example of the in-depth pre-war research is the work "Ethnography of Macedonia"., Leipzig, 1924 (re-printed in Sofia, 1981) by G. Weigand and "Studies in Macedonian Dialectology", Kazan, 1918 (re-printed in Sofia, 1981) by A.M. Selishtchev. Weigand, as well as Selischev, speak about Bulgarians in Macedonia and Macedonian Bulgarian language.

9. Compare D. Ilievski, The Autocephality of the Macedonian Orthodox Church. Skopje, 1972. As there is no national (Macedonian) translation available of the Bible, the Serbian one is being recommended, and it is another factor for the structuring of the Macedonian literary language. Bulgarian in all of its aspects is deliberately kept in hiding.

10. The story goes that one of the leading glossotomists was delivering a lecture at the St. Kliment of Okhrida University in Sofia, in Macedonian: when however, a sudden draught scattered his manuscript, he just went on lecturing... in Bulgarian.

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So lets cut the crap that these illiterate Makedonskie's are feeding the forum...

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On this first page we want to underline, that we do not want to divide Macedonia, nor to force Macedonia to unite with Bulgaria. We do not want to be placed on the same level with Greece, since we do not question the existence of Slavic Macedonia and nonexistence of Greek Macedonia. This phenomenon exist only in very small minority of  the people in Greece conquered by the Magale Idea to expand territories of neighbors cost and to reach the size of Byzantine Imperia. Bulgaria never conquer Macedonia at any time of our common history- Macedonia was undivided part of Bulgaria for 15 centuries.  

Some Macedonian Sites from the Republic of Macedonia claim, that Macedonians are different from Bulgarians, but have serious problem to explain the existence of  Bulgarian minority in Albania (not Macedonian, but Bulgarian). This fact prove 100% that the new invented Nation in 1944 was just political decision of the communist Yugoslavia in order to keep the occupied land after the Balkan war in 1912 and to divide the Bulgarian nation. The Yugoslavian communist do not have the chance to go to Albania and to teach the Bulgarians, that they are Macedonians.

We wish to thank to our visitors from Australia and Canada and Greece, who made this site #1 on the web in popularity. Your parents and grandparents suffer the most of the Greek wrong politics in Macedonia. But we are coming very close to the moment, where Greece will apologize to you for your forceful immigration and return your possessions in your homeland Macedonia. This is obligation to all civilized nation including Greece.

We thank to our visitors from the Republic of Greece, our very appreciated neighbors  for their overwhelming positive response. Certainly some of the evidence and truth can't be found in the Greek History Books, which are made to justified the occupation of the Bulgarian land- Macedonia, which was never Hellenic.    

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ANd this site is very anti greek. 

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Originally posted by Alexander of Macedon

Just short explanation it's very funny and stupid to explane against that FOPOGreek-Bulgarian Antimacedonian propaganda.I'm Macedonian ,not Bulgarian,not serbian,not greek ,not albanian, but just MACEDONIAN who is proud to Macedonian history,who speak Macedonian Language etc.I think you know what i'm trying to say.

And about the map that is exactly what FOPOG want ,MACEDONIA TO BE ERASED OF THE MAP,and you know why beacause they are afraid to lose Aegean part of Macedonia or how they call it Greek macedonia.

This are maps of Macedonia,United Macedonia.

Here is again our proud Slav wannabe!!!

Why should Greece be afraid to lose Macedonia from some random Slavic wannabes? I dont see any reason. The vast majority of the world knows that your ancestor Slavs came to Balkans many centuries later from Alexander's era and obviously have no ties with ancient Macedonians as you imagine.

Ah and to close it, i quote the speech of Alexander while addressing the dead Hellenes of the battle of Chaeronia:

"Holy shadows of the dead, I`m not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another.I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary,I would be glad brothers if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language,the same blood and the same vision

Now my Slav friend, you do know the truth!!



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This discussion became a rediculous Greek-Macedon arguement. To avoid all these non-sense and fight in Balkans, we need to unite all of them under a single rule as once it was. My ideal Map for Balkans:

These are my ideal maps for all middle east, northern africa, Black sea coasts, western Iran, Caucases, Anatolia and Balkans.   

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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

This discussion became a rediculous Greek-Macedon arguement. To avoid all these non-sense and fight in Balkans, we need to unite all of them under a single rule as once it was. My ideal Map for Balkans:

These are my ideal maps for all middle east, northern africa, Black sea coasts, western Iran, Caucases, Anatolia and Balkans.   

Great joke , from a great jester....

Then u woke up suddenly and tried to find a lollipop.....Not finding it in the dark, u just slept again , sucking ur finger... 

Isk.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 09:48
Originally posted by iskenderani

Great joke , from a great jester....

Then u woke up suddenly and tried to find a lollipop.....Not finding it in the dark, u just slept again , sucking ur finger... 

Isk.

Yeah, I think it is a great joke too, a joke which was the truth for Greeks for hundreds of years. I'm glad you understood the joke, jester. I called you jester because you know, in a palace like Topkapi, the Sultan Khan needed a really skillful jester, and I really believe that if you lived in Ottoman times, you could be a fine and suitable jester to serve for our khan. And it would be a nice opportunity for you to make a conformable career according to your personality.

Now I am serious, why did you get this joke so serious and so hard? If you really believe you are offensed with my maps, I can erase them for you, but I cant erase them from history, sorry. So keep on sleeping with your dolls, they will protect you from our cold jokes...



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