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    Posted: 02-Nov-2010 at 09:30
As this thread could become popular again, I will take a minute to point out that 2 of the respondents were banned for ultra nationalist and racist posts.  [I know this because I was the one who banned them both.]  So please, be careful.
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So,based upon the last posts above, one might well assume that one "Sews what one shall reap?"

And, even though I made a funny, it may well still be true?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Aug-2008 at 03:07
Originally posted by Seko

I missed something there. What is taught?


Forgot to qoute Sparten's post. Sewing is taught to both sexes in grade school in pretty much all Bavarian schools.
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I missed something there. What is taught?
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In Germany its taught to grade school students regardless of sex in crafts class.
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This whole arguement explores the roles expected of men and women and how that is played out. The position of equality has been defended as well as the position from the Bible and non-Anglo communities, somewhat. Is there a right or wrong without going to extremes?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Aug-2008 at 21:07

I'll say nothing, except I think the 50's are hardly representative of previous eras, it was more conservative with regard to roles than any time since 1900's. Effect of the war I guess.

 
Also if I was a dane, I would worry more about whether or not the socialist paradise can be maintained in a fiscally responsible manner over the next few decades than "feminising men".
 
Finally, why are Anglophone middle class values being presented as the norm? In most societys men do know how to sew.
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Originally posted by Count Belisarius

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Thats not what I meant, I know a woman who is ashamed because her new baby is a girl in fact when her mother in law sent a sweater to the baby the mom sent it back becuase it had a "feminine" theme. I define femininity as a woman who is polite, courteous, Godly, and who is not afraid to wear makeup thinking it will somehow "degrade" her,

What has 'Godly' got to do with it? Are you suggesting only women who believe in God can be feminine? Which God, or will any one do?
 
I've yet to come across any woman, including some who have had considerable success in business, the professions and even the army, who thinks wearing make-up 'degrades' anyone. It doesn't degrade men either for that matter. And the need to be polite and courteous is just as important for men as for women.
you should talk to my mom on some of this stuff. What should a Man be responsible to? his governmet? his career? at the neglect of his family like millions of americans do today? I have a lot of freinds who have parents like that, is that what you want?.
People should not neglect their families - it's not particularly a masculine or feminine requirement. Or are you suggesting it's OK for women to neglect their families?
 
People should also be responsible to society (which is one of the reasons they should not neglect their children). I don't know what you mean by being responsible 'to his career', but it is also true that people should live up to ethical codes of their profession or vocation. A doctor's responsibility to a patient is the same whether the doctor (or the patient) is a woman or a man. Same goes for lawyer and client, or realtor and client. And so on.
 
In what ways someone should be responsible to society is a matter for political discussion, but it is the same for men and women.
 
 
 Thats not what I meant I would appreciate it if wouldn't twist my statemnet around like that again (straw man fallacy),
What did I twist?
when I say Godly I'm talking about the God of the bible,
I assumed that. You said part of your definition of femininity was 'godly'. That indicates that someone cannot be feminine in your view unless she believes in the god of the Bible.
That'se not 'twisting' what you said. And incidentally, like most people here, I know what a 'straw man' argument is.
 and no I'm not saying it's okay for the women to neglect their family's,
You said men should not neglect their families. You didn't mention it with regard to women.
again straw man fallacy, as for women thinking makeup degrades them, clearly you've never been to colarado.
Well, I agree that's true, and I probably never will now. But I've been to all the North-Eastern states, Georgia, Alabama, the Carolinas, Virginia and California, as well as many other countries altogether, and I have an American wife, and I had a couple of American affairs before that, and so far I've never come across a woman who didn't make up to some degree, and never one who thought that 'degraded' her. And you can include in that a whole Primitive Baptist community that my wife's family belonged to and a series of their ministers' wives.
 
I've never visited Colorado. You appear to have never visited planet Earth.
 
If you want to have another shot at defining femininity and masculinity, feel free.
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Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by Count Belisarius

Thats not what I meant, I know a woman who is ashamed because her new baby is a girl in fact when her mother in law sent a sweater to the baby the mom sent it back becuase it had a "feminine" theme. I define femininity as a woman who is polite, courteous, Godly, and who is not afraid to wear makeup thinking it will somehow "degrade" her,

What has 'Godly' got to do with it? Are you suggesting only women who believe in God can be feminine? Which God, or will any one do?
 
I've yet to come across any woman, including some who have had considerable success in business, the professions and even the army, who thinks wearing make-up 'degrades' anyone. It doesn't degrade men either for that matter. And the need to be polite and courteous is just as important for men as for women.
you should talk to my mom on some of this stuff. What should a Man be responsible to? his governmet? his career? at the neglect of his family like millions of americans do today? I have a lot of freinds who have parents like that, is that what you want?.
People should not neglect their families - it's not particularly a masculine or feminine requirement. Or are you suggesting it's OK for women to neglect their families?
 
People should also be responsible to society (which is one of the reasons they should not neglect their children). I don't know what you mean by being responsible 'to his career', but it is also true that people should live up to ethical codes of their profession or vocation. A doctor's responsibility to a patient is the same whether the doctor (or the patient) is a woman or a man. Same goes for lawyer and client, or realtor and client. And so on.
 
In what ways someone should be responsible to society is a matter for political discussion, but it is the same for men and women.
 
 
 Thats not what I meant I would appreciate it if wouldn't twist my statemnet around like that again (straw man fallacy), when I say Godly I'm talking about the God of the bible, and no I'm not saying it's okay for the women to neglect their family's, again straw man fallacy, as for women thining makeup degrades them, clearly you've never been to colarado.


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Everyone is viewed in a negative way for everything by a certain member. For the most part the one calling women whores are other women anyway. So what can you do...
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You need to wake up if you sincerely think that women are not viewed negatiely for excercising their own right in that aspect. 
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... again that is why the media portrays women as whores if they choose to have sex, while the men in the media are more or less praised for the same actions... 
 
Your sarcasm is boring me.
 
I didn't say the media was fully in favor of women, sexism exists against both genders, I was simply affirming some aspects of this article.
 
And to be honest women havn't been viewed as whores for having sex since the 60s. Maybe you mean sleeping around and having casual sex? Sorry, that sort of stopped in the late 90s. I personally view any gender sleeping around as a bit whorish but to each his own.
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... again that is why the media portrays women as whores if they choose to have sex, while the men in the media are more or less praised for the same actions... 
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I'm not denying that there is bias agaisnt women pay wise, but you can not deny the social media bias that favor women over men.
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I think fenemism started with good intentions of equality. But growing up in America i was awe struck at the female favoring bias around. I always viewed men and women as equal. I don't believe in stupid rules like "don't hit girls." My mother taught me that if anyone threatens my well being I defend myself. But if you watch even a few days of American tv you see men being rideculed much more often. Femenism no longer seeks equality, but superiority spreading propagandist non sense. Men are big lumbering animals that eat sleep and only want to get in your pants while the women are powerful individuals that must tame and train these brutes. Of course that is only if you fancy men. It's funny reading some stupidities concerning sex today. During the puritan movement women weren't to really enjoy sex, now it is the other way around.


Yep, lots of preference for women here. That is why there is an income gap between women and men, where women get about .75 cents for every dollar a man earns for the same kind of work. This is true even in Hollywood, where male actors make more money than female ones.
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...and that is why women still on average get much less than a man in the job market... if we had a female favoring bias, maybe that inequality that is very real and insulting
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I think fenemism started with good intentions of equality. But growing up in America i was awe struck at the female favoring bias around. I always viewed men and women as equal. I don't believe in stupid rules like "don't hit girls." My mother taught me that if anyone threatens my well being I defend myself. But if you watch even a few days of American tv you see men being rideculed much more often. Femenism no longer seeks equality, but superiority spreading propagandist non sense. Men are big lumbering animals that eat sleep and only want to get in your pants while the women are powerful individuals that must tame and train these brutes. Of course that is only if you fancy men. It's funny reading some stupidities concerning sex today. During the puritan movement women weren't to really enjoy sex, now it is the other way around.
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Originally posted by Count Belisarius

Thats not what I meant, I know a woman who is ashamed because her new baby is a girl in fact when her mother in law sent a sweater to the baby the mom sent it back becuase it had a "feminine" theme. I define femininity as a woman who is polite, courteous, Godly, and who is not afraid to wear makeup thinking it will somehow "degrade" her,

What has 'Godly' got to do with it? Are you suggesting only women who believe in God can be feminine? Which God, or will any one do?
 
I've yet to come across any woman, including some who have had considerable success in business, the professions and even the army, who thinks wearing make-up 'degrades' anyone. It doesn't degrade men either for that matter. And the need to be polite and courteous is just as important for men as for women.
you should talk to my mom on some of this stuff. What should a Man be responsible to? his governmet? his career? at the neglect of his family like millions of americans do today? I have a lot of freinds who have parents like that, is that what you want?.
People should not neglect their families - it's not particularly a masculine or feminine requirement. Or are you suggesting it's OK for women to neglect their families?
 
People should also be responsible to society (which is one of the reasons they should not neglect their children). I don't know what you mean by being responsible 'to his career', but it is also true that people should live up to ethical codes of their profession or vocation. A doctor's responsibility to a patient is the same whether the doctor (or the patient) is a woman or a man. Same goes for lawyer and client, or realtor and client. And so on.
 
In what ways someone should be responsible to society is a matter for political discussion, but it is the same for men and women.
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I think you miss the point CB - maybe this article in a womens magazine in 1955 can convince you that women were, and still are in many places, inferior to men.
 
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Thats not what I meant, I know a woman who is ashamed because her new baby is a girl in fact when her mother in law sent a sweater to the baby the mom sent it back becuase it had a "feminine" theme. I define femininity as a woman who is polite, courteous, Godly, and who is not afraid to wear makeup thinking it will somehow "degrade" her, you should talk to my mom on some of this stuff. What should a Man be responsible to? his governmet? his career? at the neglect of his family like millions of americans do today? I have a lot of freinds who have parents like that, is that what you want?.


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