Muslim Father demands removal of crucifix

Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz Nomather what his feelings were he had no right to demand that.After all he has chosen to live in a christian country and thus should accept christianity.If he doesn't than he should go to the muslim world.

Edited by Aelfgifu - 10-Aug-2008 at 13:00

Originally posted by Al Jassas France has no state religion, it is secular Wladyslaw just like most if not all EU countries. So his demands are perfectly legal.   Al-Jassas

The father had every right to demand such a symbol be taken down. He had no business carrying on the way he did but every right to ask for the crucifix to be taken down. I was born in a Christian hospital with no Crosses on the walls.

This is an incredibly trivial matter and does not warrant international discussion. I think this speaks more about certain people's "islamophobia" and xenophobia than anything else. If the father was Jewish would this have caught your attention? What if the person was Hindu or Buddhist and acted the same way, still the same reaction?

Let's also not forget that France is not a "Christian country" it is a secular republic. Being a secular republic it has no state religion so making the claim that this family lives in Christian country and should therefore accept Christianity is ridiculous.

Originally posted by King John The father had every right to demand such a symbol be taken down. He had no business carrying on the way he did but every right to ask for the crucifix to be taken down. I was born in a Christian hospital with no Crosses on the walls. This is an incredibly trivial matter and does not warrant international discussion. I think this speaks more about certain people's "islamophobia" and xenophobia than anything else. If the father was Jewish would this have caught your attention? What if the person was Hindu or Buddhist and acted the same way, still the same reaction? Let's also not forget that France is not a "Christian country" it is a secular republic. Being a secular republic it has no state religion so making the claim that this family lives in Christian country and should therefore accept Christianity is ridiculous.

I don't see how you can demand a crucifix. Of course you should be allowed to have a crucifix, but I don't see why the hospital should provide you with one. (Even if it's a Roman Catholic hospital.)

Also the question everybody keeps ignoring except me is who chose the hospital? The way I read the story, the daughter probably did, and the father was probably already angry about that.

Certainly it wasn't the father that was getting the medical treatment.

Originally posted by King John The father had every right to demand such a symbol be taken down. He had no business carrying on the way he did but every right to ask for the crucifix to be taken down. I was born in a Christian hospital with no Crosses on the walls. This is an incredibly trivial matter and does not warrant international discussion. I think this speaks more about certain people's "islamophobia" and xenophobia than anything else. If the father was Jewish would this have caught your attention? What if the person was Hindu or Buddhist and acted the same way, still the same reaction? Let's also not forget that France is not a "Christian country" it is a secular republic. Being a secular republic it has no state religion so making the claim that this family lives in Christian country and should therefore accept Christianity is ridiculous.

Edited by Władysław Warnencz - 17-Aug-2008 at 15:40

If I try real hard to see things from the irrational POV of a deeply religious person, I can understand why he wanted to have the cross removed. Still, given today's islamophobia I would probably have thought twice about doing so if I was in his place, and avoided all this negative attention.

Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter Władysław Warnencz , anyone has the right to demand what he want, the nurse could just  refuse his demand, but she was very wise and prevented unnecessary argument. I wonder what are you trying to prove here, you made a hurly-burly for a vain subject. arrogance, you make me laugh ,  there is no arrogance at all, maybe a fanatic act form impolite person. Do you think such behavior is normal? yes I do. finally, I agree with Reginmund, if I was in the man's place, I would say nothing to evade reflecting a bad image. I can surf  the net and  find hundreds case like this(not identical) regardless of religion or  certain group of people. but you choose a Muslim man for a purpose, but you choose the wrong one,a scatter brained man.

Originally posted by gcle2003 Who was crying about islamophobia?   The situation would be no different if it were a Christian wanting an Islamic symbol removed, or for that matter an anti-Nazi demanding a swastika be removed, or a capitalist lackey demanding a hammer-and-sickle be removed.   In all those cases it would be essentially trivial. Symbols don't affect anything: attributing  importance  to them is basically childish, like believing in magic.

Then why was it so important to him the crucifix to be removed?Why was he risking his daughter health for such a "childish" thing?It seems the nurses were more adult thant...

Originally posted by Slayertplsko Originally posted by Al Jassas France has no state religion, it is secular Wladyslaw just like most if not all EU countries. So his demands are perfectly legal.   Al-Jassas Well, I don't consider Poland to be free of state religion. It isn't written in the constitution afaik, but still, from what I've heard...Poland kinda reminds me that Muslim guy.