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    Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 19:39
I was looking at the archive article about the ancient Minoans. I was a bit confused by a list of what appears to be Chinese Emperors.

The only written text that I know of from the Minoans is Linear A and only around 40% of it has been translated because of Linear B-Greek. What we have found are only inventory lists unless things have changed.
What is the latest about Linear A?
Emperors

Ming Tai Zu (1368 1399)
Ming Hui Di (1399 1403)
Ming Chen Zu (1403 1425)
Ming Ren Zong (1425 1426)
Ming Xuan Zong (1426 1436)
Ming Ying Zong (1436 1450)
Ming Jing Zong (1450 1465)
Ming Xian Zong (1465 1488)
Ming Xiao Zong (1488 1506)
Ming Wu Zong (1506 1522)
Ming Shi Zong (1522 1567)
Ming Mu Zong (1567 1573)
Ming Sheng Zong (1573 1620)
Ming Guan Zong (1620 1621)
Ming Xi Zong (1621 1628)
Ming Si Zu (1628 1644)
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  Quote Berosus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 23:18
A server error?  Judging by the dates (from 1368 to 1644), you've got a complete list of Ming dynasty emperors there.  But the ones I've heard of have different names from that, like Yong Le of the early 1400s.
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  Quote vagabond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 02:01

Wow - gives a whole new meaning to "Cross cultural".  It's Cross temporal as well.  I'll pass it on and the appropriate folks will edit it as soon as they have time.

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  Quote TJK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 02:58

I really don't know what is it .. IIRC I haven't include the list of kings in my aritcle

The list from hostkingdom ( http://www.hostkingdom.net/crete.html#Knossos)

  • Satur I the Great (at Knossos)..........fl. period 1725-1675 ?
  • Sakavipi (at Knossos)...................fl. period 1625-1575 ?
  • --nai--d (at Knossos)...................fl. period 1600-1575 ?
  • Na--napu-- (at Knossos).................fl. period 1600-1550 ?
  • Nodamate (at Knossos)...................fl. period 1600-1550 ?
  • Minoan civilization disrupted, and the palace burnt, c. 1450 BCE.
  • Kris
  • Tektamos
  • Asterios
  • Minos the Great (legendary; existence problematic)
  • Deukalion (legendary; existence problematic)
  • The palace was destroyed for a second time, c. 13th cent. BCE.
  • Colonization by Myceneans
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      Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 00:59
    Minoan art is some of the most colorful natural art from anitquity. I have been to the ruins on Santorini and I have seen the exhibit at the National museum in Athens. If I could pick a time to live in, this would be it!!!

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      Quote Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2005 at 19:07
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    Where did you get those names from??
    I've never seen them mentioned as a find in any of the Linear B inscriptions.
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    Me neither
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      Quote Menippos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2005 at 20:41
    It is the Ming-no-an dynasty, guys! LOL!!!
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      Quote TJK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2005 at 05:45

    Originally posted by Phallanx

    TJK

    Where did you get those names from??
    I've never seen them mentioned as a find in any of the Linear B inscriptions.

     

    You mean the list in the 1st post ? I haven't enclose any list to the article. Second list (in my post above) is from hostkingdom site.( http://www.hostkingdom.net/crete.html#Knossos)



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      Quote Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2005 at 07:59
    TJK

    Anyway, seems like I misunderstood what you wrote.By reading about your article I believed you were the author of the site.
    I've found a couple of sites mentioning an attempt to contact him/her about the origin of this list, but no answer.
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      Quote TJK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2005 at 08:04
    I think one of admins ( Cyrus or Imperator Invictus or previous admin Han Wudi)  have add the list of kings. Oryginally I have posted only some description on  forum.

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      Quote Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 01:38
    I managed to contact the author of the site quoted above. His answer to my question on the origin of these alleged king names in the list was:

    "As you no doubt saw on the page itself, the list of names is based on some particular research, and hasn't been confirmed elsewhere. So it is highly speculative. The list is based on a decipherment of the Phaestos Disc by Arkadiy Anatolievich Molchanov (.. ), a Russian archeologist, and was published in the book " " ("The Mysterious Inscriptions of the Ffirst Europeans", Moscow, 1980). But his decipherment is just his own work, and has not been duplicated by other scholars; so, take it with however many grains of salt you think are necessary."

    Unfortunately a long search for any kind of info on this 'archeologist' and his finds was totally unsucessful.

    Anyway, any info on what is the most dominant opinion on the 'language' of the Disc may be, which will of course be supported by archeologic finds, cause I've seen everything from Hebrew to Russian.
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      Quote berserk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2005 at 08:06

    Simple search in Google on "this archeologist" immediately revealed this result:
    http://www.cipkr.ru/council/moltchanov.htm

    Everything is in Russian, however...

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      Quote Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 23:24
    Oh, now I see.
    How did you find it, did you search in Russian cause I couldn't find anything about him and his book.
    Any possibility of some translation???
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      Quote berserk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Aug-2005 at 11:59

    I can translate the short info posed in that page:

    The man works in the Russian Political Culture Investigations Center in the Scientific Council. Historian, archaeologist, art critic. Specialist in the fields of Antique Society, Ancient and Medieval Russia, Paleolinguistics, Sign Semantics..

    Expert in the field of cultural and historical argumentation of propagandistic materials of election campaigns ()..

    Publicist. Author of 5 monographs and more than 150 scientific works..

    Maybe you can find out more if you ask through the email that organization about the man and his works... The email is cipkr@ost.net.ru .

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      Quote berserk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Aug-2005 at 12:28

    And the book ("The Mysterious Inscriptions of the First Europeans", in Russian) can be ordered here:

    http://www.alib.ru/bs.php4?bs=%CA%EE%ED%F1%F2%E0%ED%F2%E8%ED &id=4400913

    It is only 90 rubles (approx. 3,2 $), but it is in Russian..



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