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    Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 14:32
Yeah lasers and flame throwers which again the federation shields can shrug off in ease, and the imperium is dying, if they send ships to attack the federation they will leave their defenses spread thin so while they are fighting the feds, a new orc waagh will happen. 


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  Quote Władysław Warnencz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 14:37
Originally posted by Balaam

You can't beat the Imperium, its just impossible.
 
Exactly! There hasn't been a faction in any computer game yet that was stronger than the Imperium.
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  Quote Count Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 19:02
Yeah but Picard is smarter than any Comissar. 


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...Smarter than one of those Tech-Priests or Space Marine champions who have lived for thousands of years and are genetically and biologically enhanced? Methinks not! Everyone seems to be forgetting that Warhammer 40'000 is concentrated on ground combat, whilst Star Trek mainly shows ship to ship combat - don't forget that Imperial ships are much larger and also have shields - shields which have been in use and perfected for millennia. Morover, surely a tech-priest makes a better engineer than Scotty or La-Forge?
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  Quote Władysław Warnencz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2008 at 20:18
It doesn't matter how smart you are in a war with millions of soldiers fighting and dieing monthly.In such huge war numbers.preparation and morale is what matters,not some cheap tricks.
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  Quote Count Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Aug-2008 at 13:48
Not to mention the Techpriests are geared toward war and their technology is shrouded in ritual and secrecy and in the warhammer 40k universe technology is stagnant.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Aug-2008 at 22:36
The imperium of man contains over a million worlds it has countles armies. its curusers dwaf even the federations lagest and most powerful ships.  The said ships can travers the galexy faster than any federation ship and can destroy planets with the use of verios types of planet killing weapons. on the ground a fasor may be better than a las gun (not likly since they have been shoen in nemisis to have the durability of paper masay) but for every faser there are 1000 las guns with baontes and dont get mey stated on imperal armour.
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  Quote Count Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2008 at 15:18
The federation has over three million worlds and the imperium wouldn't stand a chance against the borg and federation sheilds can withstand anything the imperium throws against them with ease and the imperium is about to fall in the new fifth edition the golden throne is breaking and technology is constanly evolving in the federation and another reason why the federatioon wins would be because their cool and realistic whereas the warhammer forty thousand universe is lame, and in the federration the planets aren't named after pop stars and soft drinks. 


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2008 at 16:24
frist piont the federation has at most 300 worlds second imperal ships are bigger and if there torpidos are as big as defiants class. the imperium ships are faster40k warp with all its proplems is still faster most of the time, they have no advertion to virus bombing worlds the federation has isues in killing planets. and lasers can effet fed sheilds its mentioned in a next generation episode they just need to be big enough.  they also have energy lances which will make mince meet of fed or borg ships and in bourding ations they have the most useful weapon, the shot gun and auto rilfe,  and they imperal navy arms man are far more acurat than red/yellow shirts.  Last there is the inquation who make starfleet intelgence and section 31 look like a joke.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 13:56
sorry for the double post but i was rong on the point the federation only have 300 wourlds they have 150 member woulds with a total of 3000ish colonies so in total 3150 ish worlds
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 14:38
sorry for the double post but i was rong on the point the federation only have 300 wourlds they have 150 member woulds with a total of 3000ish colonies so in total 3150 ish worlds
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  Quote Count Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 14:40
The federation would win because 1 phaser's strip away atoms. 2 Q wouldn't like the chaos gods, the eldar gods and the emperor, and various other pykers/demons etc. enroaching on his territory and since he's omniescient he can something baout it and the rest of the continuum would pitch in along with the prophets and the organians 3 suppose the eldar and the tau join the federation and suppose osmespace marines from the cursed founding chapters join them, along with millions of humans form the worlds of the tyrrancical empire join the federation 4 the empire is in decline and their technology is stagnant whereas federation technology is constanly evolving and covers' all sorts of fields whereas the empire is geared toward war, and the federation can make new weapons of war and they can employ a technobabble solution to their problems and while the empire is fighting the fed's the orc's will launch a new waaaagh!! the cron's will attack chaos will attack the list goes on and on.       


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 14:41
sorry for the double post but i was rong on the point the federation only have 300 wourlds they have 150 member woulds with a total of 3000ish colonies so in total 3150 ish worlds
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 15:01
first the pasers have to get though the voidshields then the heaverly armerd hulls of the ships which are much thiker than any thing the domion, klinons, fed, borg ect. use second the Q may be powerfull but they would not be able to match the chaos gods in power, the warp is not a good thing to mess with.  The eldar ext. would not join the federation for the simple fact there are many races in it which have pykic potecal, use there pykic powers but have no idia about chaos,  the crons would kill eavry thing including the fed as would the orks, the cursed fonding chapters would not join them and even if the federation could win in space they could not win on the ground. techno bable is a proplem which can be over come by faith in the emeror.  oh and when the assans start to be used count teh admarty and most of the civilen govement as dead.  oh and worlds would at fist seceed from the impreum then stop when a few are virus bombed as an exaple or space marines are used to make a piont.  and out of intrest what do you think is the best star trek univers race/ worier, eg a borg drone (pafetic zompies), star fleet red shirt or klingon worrers wilding backleths.
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  Quote Count Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 15:27
You need to be realistic if the fed's win in the and blow up the ships then there are no troop's to win on the ground and the Q's are omniscient so can whatever 40K throw's them if the fed's can beat the borg then can beat the cron's etc. And the emperor is not a god. And I think that people would immigrate from the empire to the federation, and you havn't given a reason why the eldar and the cursed founding chapter's wouldn't join. I think that the coolest race are the klingons picture klingons in captured space marine armor, and like I said before technology in the federation is constantly evolving. P.S could you spell your posts correctly please? no offense.     


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Can anyone tell me why there aren't any female space marines?


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The eldar ect would not join the federation for several reasons the eldar the easyest to explain.  The dominant spies in the federation is the humans which are considered moghn-kie (i think thats the term) it roughly means, from the context ive seen it used in cattle or little more than beasts.  in short the eldar will properly screw the federation over.  and the feds wont win in space a large fleet for them is consider to be 30 odd ships with no more than 1 sovereign or galaxy class (rember they only built 6 of those origonly) a soverin is what 800m in length and can travers the galexy in about 75 years give or take a bit not including wormholes ect.  a sovrin only has a magazen of 60 quantom torps and 200 photon torps the latter are considered by most to have a maxuim yeild of 64.4 megatons in comparison a dominator class cruser which make up the bulk of the sector fleets of segmentum ultimar are about 2.5ishkm in length, have amour over 50m thick in places proberly 100 at the prow of adimantium.  its armament inculdes a muiltided of weapons high powered lasers ect.  and more importantly a prow nova canon which accelerates very heavy projectile to almost c which then implodes making a very big explotion. much bigger than 64.4 mega tons.  they have shields designed to wither this sort of fire power. and the warp alows pasage across the galaxy in months to years baring the ocational blip (time dosnt follow the rules in the warp)

a kilgon could not beet a space marine in power armour in close combat and wouldn't even know where to begin in understanding how to use a suite.  Q properly wouldnt get involved in a human vs human war (starfleet is mainly human and the fed capitol is earth)

the emporer is not a god but is believed to be a god and that's what's important and if we did this at the time of the great crudade then the flegling imperium is quite a nice place technology is going forward and the emporer who deninges he is a god has the potencal to kill gods or at least wound them with his phyic potencal. being the most powerful pycher since the old ones.

The good impreal citizans will cry herasy every where the federation goes,  "there consorting with xenos,  they do not understand about the machein spirit or make proper blessings to it."  And despite the properganda there are nice places in the imperium the ultramar sector for one.  there will be no mass defections.

although i do think worf runing areound in power arourmor would be funy it just wouldnt happen.  I look forward to your response and i remind you that the if the imperium wants to make a point it will deploy an assign, potentioly an evisor (the pyhcos with the skull masks) to kill the sentralised comand of starfleet there realy though and where good armour if you can spot them before they kill you.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2008 at 02:25
oh and the reason there aren't any female space marines is the genetics dosnt work quite right for them and the gene seed is presumablely taken from the Y chromosome of the primarchs
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  Quote Count Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2008 at 14:51
Why wouldn't the cursed founding chapter's join? and I think the eldar would join or at lest allie themselves with the vulcans to preserve their race and thus the fed's inheirit the eldar's phycic power's and technology not many spcae marines can withstand a wraithlord and who knows' the tau might join or become allies, and in star trek technology is constantly evolving and the Q's would take a hand if the 40k gods moved in their turf, I'd like to see the emporer fight one of those and you do realize that most people worship (pay lip service) to the machine spirit, the emporer, etc. to keep the inquisition of their back's. And while 40k is fighting the fed's, the ork's, cron's, etc. will attack imperial territory,(the damocles crusade all over again) and who say's the fight has to be against the imperium?. I think it would be quite interesting to read about the first female space marine.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2008 at 23:35
you do resise that all of federation territory is impreal territory holy tera is eath 39000 years down the road
the dragons properly on mars just asleep/ stasis
the eldar couldent interbreed with the vulcans (its a mirical you get any fertiel kilinog/human hibridis ext. defiing all natral laws mules arnt fertile and that a cross between hourse and donkey to relitively close specis from the same planit.

the tau are an intreasting one they would not join the fed they will "surgest" that they join the tau empire insteed (with a pulse rifal aimed at the feds heads and there ships are papermatay, fire worrier is considered very low in terms of cannon.  look up the rules for battle fleet gothic here: http://www.specialist-games.com/battlefleetgothic/Default.asp
to get a better comparison of ships weapons in the 41st millinum, waring this may not fit descriptions in books for several resons just use it to compare 40k ships to 40k ships

the impreums tech may not be evolving fast buts its a dam site more reliable vox-casters (depending which would it is from) are valve operated so lower tech yes heavier yes, but more durable and can work in high ECM conditions and will carire on working if an emp goes off and if they have an auto pistol that's a gun that works oh not forget the bayonets

your fogeting the impreuim more prasisly the adeptus machicus is looking for the complete SCT (mother of all replicators you whant it it will make it)

most of the population actually geulay believe the emporers is a god and the machein spirit is real its what makes things work. the impreals tech is highly advanced in most fields it does have things like data slates and computers it also has more backwards things as well like valve oporated radios (vox-casters) the machien spirit is the softwhere or in some cases is actuly an AI like in the case of a landrader.  if you apese the macine spirit of your gun it wont jam.

most ordany people don't know about the inquisition, guard regiments are rutinly exicutied after an engament with choas to stop the very real risk of coruption. there are exeptions major campains for instance.

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