could Istanbul withstand the turks if the door wasn’t left open

Originally posted by Molossos Actually, Alexander is a Greek name akinci, but I know that millions of non Greeks exist with that name allover the world. In the same fashion Turks have Arabic names. I know more than you can imagine about Turkey and Turks and you probably didn't understand what I wrote about Constantinople. I suggest that you use a dictionary.

Turks dont have Arabic names. Some of Turks have only a modified Islamic (Arabic) name, some have both Arabic and Turkish names, and lots of us have only Turkish names. For example, both of my names are Turkish, and it was a common culture between Turkmens to give two names to a new born baby, one Turkish and one Islamic (ex: most of the Seljuk khans: Alparslan (Davudoglu Mehmed). I could also what you meant with millions of Greek Alexanders all over the world. So there are also millions of Turks of Turkey and central asia with the names "Arslan","Yashar" and "Emre" five times the Greek Alexanders number all over the world. Even the Cheche leader's name is "Arslan", and there are lots of "Yahshar"s, "Aydin"s and "Genghis"s in other Muslim countries...

Also as I know, the Greeks have also lots of Christian names which have middle Eastern origin, such as Jorgo, John, and other saint names. I cant remember how many Michaels had been Byzanthine Emperors? 20?  

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Originally posted by Oguzoglu Originally posted by Molossos OK Abdul . Also Istanbul doesnt mean "to the city". Ottomans were not that ignorant to call their capital in a name that they have seen while moving their armies to conquer the Eastern Roman Empire. Istanbul is a Persian name for "land bridge". Thought we had that discussion already, Istanbul is clearly derived from 'to the city'. It has nothing to do with ignorance though. As for the original topic until it was provoced away (that is, until before the first post...), no, the city would have fallen eventually, on that day or another. As said, it was inevitable.

The past discussion didnt prove anything. Istanbul means land bridge, and I think your knowledge abot the original name is only dependent to the things you read, but after a visit to Turkey, Istanbul and a research about the cultural sharings and interactions btw Turks and Persians since the pre Islamic Turkish times until the birth of Ottoman (Osmanoglu dynasty), you would see lots of common values and names between us since we were neighboors for thousands of years...

Originally posted by Molossos I am Greek, I can't be a moron. I don't need crticism by a Euro hungry Turk.

� really think you have some issues.� respect Greece as a country but your words have proven me that you are no greek

In Turkey we mostly know the Greek version. But here first time I heard about Persian explanation of Istanbul from our Persian forumers. At the beginning it was not convincing to me but after making a research about it it seems quit possible. Just look at this.

Dareios has built a bridge on Bosphorus for his campaign against Scythians. In this part of the book Heredotus has given very detailed information on how he built the bridge to pass the army.

Heredotus: Book IV 83 / 88

http://www.piney.com/Heredotus4.html

"The mouth is but four furlongs wide; and this strait, called the Bosphorus, and across which the bridge of Darius had been thrown, is a hundred and twenty furlongs in length, reaching from the Euxine to the Propontis."

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He has built a stone and write down a text on this stone like this:

"The fish-fraught Bosphorus bridged, to Juno's fane
Did Mandrocles this proud memorial bring;
When for himself a crown he'd skill to gain,
For Samos praise, contenting the Great King. Such was the memorial of his work which was left by the architect of the bridge. "

So Persians may call the city or Bosphorus as Stanpool which means lands bridge in Persian (as our Persian forumers said).

In fact even geographically it is just like a bridge with its natural form.

It looks like land bridge where two continent meet with each other. It looks like a very good name. 

It seems like reasonable to me but this hypothesis should be supported by historical documents and Persians must call the city or region around it as Stanpool since very long time. I have asked as if it was so to Persian forumers but they did not reply it.

But even if Persians did not call the city like this, Sogdians which were colesly related with Turks may call it like this. They were the traders of Silk Road.

Molossos, you're an inch away from a ban. Your last posts were a disgrace to this forum. Consider that as the last warning!

To the rest of the forumers: just because one person is getting out of line, that does not mean that everyone else has to follow downhill. Please refrain from responding to inflammatory posts and keep the discussion civil.

Thanks!