Scientific Evidence Sexuality is Pre-determined

The argument that homosexuality is unnatural because it does not occur in the animal kingdom has long been cited as far back as Plato. Modern observation, however, disproves this belief - adding to the case that homosexuality is a natural behaviour. And the evidence:

Originally posted by Aussiedude Hmmm.... I'd love to know what the Muslim/Catholic reaction to this will be.... certainly if it becomes undebatably certain that homosexuality is an entirely natural and inherent behaviour...

Originally posted by Constantine XI Ha! Someone who is now accusing National Geographic of being bribed and part of some big awful homo-conspiracy. You just made my day, I shake with laughter. Seriously, do you have any actual evidence of your own to provide, or just a heap of baseless bold statements?

Originally posted by Constantine XI Dude, it's National Geographic. And they have videotaped evidence. What more do you need? It isn't some lobby group or special interest organisation, but a highly reputable scientific body which has been around for generations and done a lot of good work. As someone who has a higher education, yes I do think that many of these scientists honestly do their research in an impartial manner and with ethics. When someone like you (sorry are you a scientist, did you qualify for a PhD?) makes the accusation that these real scientists are literally taking bribes, that is a very serious charge and you must provide evidence to support your claim. So where is your evidence? Or are you simply speculating what you want to believe?

Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz Originally posted by Aussiedude Hmmm.... I'd love to know what the Muslim/Catholic reaction to this will be.... certainly if it becomes undebatably certain that homosexuality is an entirely natural and inherent behaviour...   But it is not certain that it is natural and inherent behaviour.Those are just payed "scientists" by homo-organizations or homo-"scientists". Homosexuality is a sin and propagating it in any form should be punished by the law!

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And that other ninety per cent or more continues to indulge in their form of sin, but the homosexuals should not?That is if you wish to care to call it a sin and say they should but, but claim we all are sinners.


I personally do not see why we bother so much with this issue. People should have a right to do what they please as long as it does not hurt others, and this certainly does not.


Edited by es_bih - 09-Aug-2008 at 17:39

The debate over Anglican acceptance is an interesting one. For all the good the church has done the world, especially in ages before the welfare state could step in to help, the church's historical treatment of homosexuality has often been comparable to its treatment of witchcraft in its lack of rational thinking and needless cruelty.

I don't doubt there would be quite a few homosexuals who would very much like to enjoy what the Abrahamic religions have to offer them spiritually. The only thing standing in the way for many has been the centuries long persecution, which continues in varied forms depending on the congregation. Anything from the casual frown of disapproval to vigilante killings.

The Anglicans pushing for reform today remind me a lot of the Log Cabin Republicans. While most gays would simply give up on the organisation, many of whose members make a point of expressing outright contempt for "their kind" which is supposedly a norm of the organisation, these individuals have the patience and conviction to endure the lot and work for reform. If ever there were proof of one's dedication to the organisation, that would have to be it.

Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz What you're trying to do is imply i hate those people,i'm a homofob or want to hurt them.Even IF homosexuality is pre-determined (for me it is not) that doesn't mean those people should practice it.They should accept it as a mental desiese that they were born with and try no live as normal people.Having sex with the same gender is wrong and you shouldn't do it,nomather how much you want it.And i personaly don't hate homosexuals - i consider them sinners,as we all are.I am against those homosexuals,who are proud of it and try to propagate their sexuality as something good and modern.Those people should be send to jail,not the ordinary fags...

See you have all this upside down. Some people live in homosexual relationships and some just like to have sex with the same gender now and then; obviously this is what makes them happy and therefore it is rational for them to keep doing it. What isn't rational is to try and change their behavior and make them abstain from pursuing what makes them happy in the hopes that they will reap rewards in the afterlife for which here is absolutely no proof or guarantee. You personally are of course free to believe in the Bible, the Quran or the Harry Potter books, but regardless of how much you want them to be true this will remain impossible to prove, and therefore it makes little sense to expect people to give up on what is certain (that practicing homosexuality makes them happy in this life) for something which for all we know may just be wishful thinking (Heaven in the afterlife).

I will point out that Reggie hasn't been around for 2 years.

No, go ahead with this one.