Is Germanic a subgroup of the Iranian languages?

Cyrus, I've checked the sentence again with my dad and he said the sentence (Na bevajhe) is correct and it is as an order (command). Na bevajhe = Ou begouyad = She say ( we are commanding her to say). Also, in sangsari we use Be prefix a lot. For example,

Goftan           Say        bevate’n     beva  [to beva, no bevajhe, na bevajhe (zan begooyad)]

Raftan           Go          beshote’n   bashe’

Amadan         Come     bemete’n    biru’

Khabidan      sleep       bekhotte’n   bakhos

As for your sentence that you mentioned before.
Kita dandi na kituni var daru

Kita is not Sangsari But (shahmirzari or mazani), we say kaataa daande Kaatuni vaar daro.
That Na which you mention in between is not proper and they don't use it as you mentioned.


Edited by Suren - 29-Jun-2008 at 18:43

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Hercynian Forest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercynian_Forest Hyrcanian Forest: http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5214/

I accidentally ran into the etymology of Hyrcanian Forest - it's derived from the Old Persian word for wolf, whilst Hercynian is derived from a Celtic word for oak.

3, d→d (a.o.t. d→t) PIE doru....Slavic drievo, Avestan dar, but Germanic trewan (tree)

Again we see the Middle Persian word is "Teru", in Modern Persian we have "Teer" which means "Timber" (according to Oxford: wood prepared for use in building and carpentry. trees grown for such wood), use your English-Persian dictionary!

Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 29-Jun-2008 at 16:08

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri There is no reason to Say Avestan "das" has been changed to Persian "dah".

No there's not. But there's this fact that Old Iranian 'dasa' changed into Persian 'dah'.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Middle Persian word is "Teru", in Modern Persian we have "Teer" which means "Timber"

Middle Persian? Sorry but that's later than Proto-Germanic.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by Slayertplsko Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri There is no reason to Say Avestan "das" has been changed to Persian "dah". No there's not. But there's this fact that Old Iranian 'dasa' changed into Persian 'dah'. What do you mean by "Old Iranian"?

You didn't check my link, did you??
Proto-Iranian, Old Iranian....just like Old Teutonic, Common Germanic, Proto-Germanic

ignore those words, Lets discuss about some basic Persian words:

Persian Nays (Nik/Naz) -> Nice (Oxford Dictionary: pleasant; agreeable; satisfactory. (of a person) good-natured; kind.)
Persian Betar -> Better (Oxford Dictionary: more desirable, satisfactory, or effective.)
Persian Bad -> Bad (Oxford Dictionary: unwelcome; unpleasant)

Nice: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=nice&searchmode=none

Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 29-Jun-2008 at 18:30

How does nice (a word from French) support your thesis that Germanic languages are really a subgroup of Iranian Language? French is not a Germanic language, it is an Italic/Romance language. No linguist has denied relationships between Iranian and Germanic languages. What linguists have done both here and in their work is explain similarities by saying "both are Indo-European so similarities are ancient relics from before the two groups diverged from Proto Indo European." Clearly, Cyrus, you can see that the differences between these two language groups outweigh the similarities, which go back to the common ancestor language of both groups. You really should digest what some of the people in this thread have said before you comment on things which you clearly don't understand.

Timber is not the same as tree in English. In fact they don't even come from the same word. Timber comes from the Proto-Germanic word *temran, whereas tree comes from the Proto-Germanic word *trewan. Let's also not forget that you can't make comparisons between Proto-Germanic and Middle and Modern Persian. If you do make such comparisons they support the argument that Persian comes from a Germanic source, since Proto-Germanic pre-dates Middle and Modern Persian.

How does nice (a word from French) support your thesis that Germanic languages are really a subgroup of Iranian Language?