9th of May celebrations at Moscow!!!

"Yes, I'm indeed interested in hearing about how racist te USSR was."

Not racist, but just, for over 20 years, the USSR was an extremely anti-cultural state.  Deporting your minorities to Siberia, desolating the way of life of traditional cultures that were formed withing thousands of years of ancestral teachings and respect. Targeting  foreign ethnicities as subjects who can be murdered any time for no reason. Racism isn't the worst thing in this life you know. The USSR targeted everybody within its borders under a regime of terror and repression. That meaning, the USSR could have become genocidal against any ethnicity on Earth if taken under its control. It was just huge and incredibly dumb killing everything in its wake, having no benfits from any of the mass murders other than increasing Stalins own personal disorders. Not too difficult to see why we were afraid of you like wildfire.

Truce on the Chechen subject, but statements here are outrageous, probably derived from the Middle-Ages. Too much "Mein Kamph" before bedtime has made Dark One a powerful nationalsocialist i see. No wonder Russia will remain stagnated when even a fraction of the federations population thinks like you.

"If by cultures that we deported you mean the nomadic ones, then they did it because they refused to settle down and be productive members of society. Roaming bands of Gypsies, who stole and cheated people out of their money were common before the revolution, should those also ahve been preserved for culture's sake?"

Refused to settle down???????????????????????? They were nomads, they could not settle down. You can't press a new way of life to people when the previous has been there for millenias. There were no productive members of the society in the USSR during Stalin, and if there would have ever been any, they would have been killed as most were. The entire Soviet state was a failure in administrative history.

Do you remember, several pages ago we argued about Russian minorities being treated badly in Estonia. Well, i think you should keep your mouth shut on that subject now as you are justifying mass deprtation as good politics, then you should have no problem with Russians here with good living standards.  

Roaming bands of gypsies, cheating, stealing across the country. Sounds much like what Hitler said about the Jews. Well, then you should accept his decision to commit genocide. Shows the friendliness towards foreign cultures of the "socialist" USSR.

"Fighting in the SS is one of the worst thigns someone could have done."

Why, some nations could fight for a free country of their own within the Waffen SS. Estonians, for example. You don't care about freedom of others much anyway, so why bother.

"It tells that Estonia was not ruled by someone as icompetent as Yelstin for 8 years."

Indeed, Lennart Meri, the president of the Republic of Estonia form 1992-2000. if i remember. A fine scholar and a wise man in every case. A shame that we a have a sheep of a president now.

"Joining the other side in a war is betrayal."

Some chose the reds, some the Germans (reds - 20,000 volunteers and German - 70,000 volunteers IIRC). You mostly betrayed us, leaving Estonian volunteers of the Red army rot on the frontline to delay the German offensive, leaving us to die by the nazi scum and then you come bashing threw the door and say we didn't die for barbarians of the East. You're one sick puppy. If i only knew more phrases of insult. Argue that!!!

"That war was about the Nazis. I'm not sorry for any war crimes that we have comitted to Germany, since what it did to us was far worse."

Not to everyone was it about nazis. You take everything black and white, which is of course comfortable for you, a Russian, but pretty ignorant and blind. Well, there you go, you admit war crimes are justified towards innocent German civilians, not the Wehrmacht we are talking about here. That is the same thing Nazis said about the Russians i guess. A little of that nazi heritage has reached the 21th century by the words of Dark One.

"They were traitors, and were supposed to be handed back."

O my God, how were they traitors. it is beyond me. Just that certain ethnicity is a traitor, how can that be? It is totally crazy to say things like that. Do explain

 With all of the quotes i have replied to on this single post. Prove to me that nazis were worse. You accept everything the nazis did to you and other European nations during WW2 as good politics when commited towards others. Where does the difference come in?????????????????????????

Yes, quite true. 9 pages of facts and not a dent.

Ryss�, kas see sama mis venelaisen??? Venelane on venelane, ei paranda teda s�nad ega teod!

I don't know if it is 70 million or not, but much of Stalins crimes are pretty well covered up in the archives which Russia isn't all that eager to show to the public. More acts of disgrace and shame maybe?

Yea partisans, we had those too and they fought after the end of WW2 to get rid of the idiocy and tyranny of Stalins rule.

Russian soldiers during WW2 can most certainly be regarded as barbarians, no debate in that.

Not sense, Russian cowardise to defend themselves. Leaving us to die for false promises, baseless accusations of betrayal. We had the right to invade you after the war if anything at all.

We aided the nazis more than the soviets??? What, the soviets were the sole reason for Fascist success at the first years of the war, we cooperated for independence, but you for the spread of terror and nazism.

"I am by no means a fascist, I am a socialist with the view that the upkeep of the army is the government's first priority, so you oculd say that I'm also militaristic."

Regarding the destruction of other nationalities as good could be called pretty fascist, i bet most would. Regarding your nations superiority over others as the most important aspect of a country is the cornerstone of fascism. You have both of those fascist sides strongly presented.

I had always been under the impression that post soviet russia was a place of deep comprehension for what imperialism truly is, the crimes of it, the horror of it...like germans I thought russians were, now understanding why propaganda and lies exist, what they create, and how a brain-washed ppl is the most dangerous thing on earth.

From what you have said dark_one, I get the clear impression that you are justifying every act of tyranny your past governements have exercised upon neighbouring minorities. Saying such things as your nation was simply punishing unloyal citizens...I'm sorry my rusky friend but if america takes Canada, I will not be loyal to Washington. PERIOD. How can you in a right frame of mind say all these things?

You mentionned a long while ago, that if a maniac with a gun approaches someone and tells them to do something or else they will be shot, and this certain individual refuses, that it is his fault he is dead?

I guess than that your USSR is guilty for the death of 30 000 000 of your countrymen who died in face of the advancing Nazi forces who demanded your surrender. Following your logic, it is your fault you didn't surrender, thus should accept the conciquences of your decision and shouldn't blame any nazi for this atrocity. (Just as you don't feel estonians have any right to have hatred agaisnt russia)

PS: Your logic disgusts me. Murder only leads to more murder, and not in any case is it justified. The aggressor is guilty for his deeds. Despite I think we should all forget old hatreds, you can't say Estonians are rediculous to be Anti-russian.

"Now this is a completely differrent situation. Even surrender to the Nazis meant almost certain death. Either way (fighting or surrendering) was dangeruous, but tell me, what percentage of the fighters returned home, and what percentage of the people hwo surrendered returned to their homes? Not to mention surrender is betrayal, so they would be prosecuted. The situation of a maniac with a gun is very simplistic, but this is much more complex and therefore we need to consider many more factors."

And surrender to the soviets, meant almost certain death to us Estonians too, but if we are not Russians, so our deaths are nothing to you, got it.

Surrender to to nazi Germany would have meant nearly certain death to Russians, and other Slavs, that is totally true.

A large percentage of Russians not returning to their homes after the German invasion was the fault of the Soviet government itself, aswell as the German killings.

"Estonians have the right to hate anybody, just as anyone else does. If they publically expres their hate in the form of assault or another illegal activity they should be prosecuted acordingly, unless the two sides are at war."

Your former posts have certainly left an impression on me that we were wrong in hating Russians or atleast that it was illegal, amoral and so on, odd.

Your government Dark One, should have tons of criminals to prosecute in warcrimes. Those innocents, the soviet warcriminals killed during WW2 should never see their killers incarsarated??????? 

in which period would you guys prefer to live I wonder?

-Hitler's Germany betwen 1933-1939

-Stalin's Soviet Union between 1933-1939