How have been called your national ancestors?

Hun-Scythian-Magyar-Kun (Kun-Cumanian)

Originally posted by mygger Originally posted by Roberts Latvian peasants (further in past divides in many Baltic tribes) as far as I know. Baltic is comparatively isolated place so no great mixing or population movements in the past. What about fenno-ugrian roots of Latvian population?

One of tribes which made Latvian population were Livonians - they are finno-ugrian. The rest were Baltic (indo -European) - Selonians, Latgallians, Semgallians, Curonians.

My ancestors were called Danes. We're still called Danes. However, in Danish we're called Danskere, while the ancients were called Daner.

Since I am from the Southern part of the USA, and I have done some work on my family background, I should say that I am a product of people who lived in what is now England or the Protestant part of Ireland (sometimes called Scot-Irish), and some mixture of Native American (Cherokee). These relationships go back to the 1640's at least, here in the Southern USA. This seems to be secure for most "all lines" since 1750 CE or so.

Basically, since my ancestors were here before the American Revolution, and since some of them fought in that conflict, I would only consider myself as an American! And only an American!

I believe 370 years in mostly the same area of the USA, makes one an American! How about you?

As a Romanian, I don't think I belong to "one of the most mixed peoples of Europe", because in Europe (as anywhere), mixity is too a fact of reality of all of us (though frequently obscured by stupidity or politics - synonyms?). I really wonder who, there, can claim a high degree of ethnic purity...

The Welsh example would disagree with that statement.

I live in Wales, but Im not Welsh. Though the official language of the country is English, there is a bi lingual policy. The majority of the population can speak no more welsh than asking for a pint of beer or asking the way to the train station for the most part. Though there are areas where there are more welsh speakers than English and it is used there as more of a primary language than a secondary one. The majority are english primary. Through education and teaching over the centuries the welsh language itself was almost eradicated. It has only been within the last couple  of decades that welsh has begun to feature quite prominently again, part in due to the bi lingual policy which is a most recent invention. Its only very recently that a welsh language tv channel existed.

Yet though the people of wales are all connected by the ability to speak the English language, and have been for quite sometime That hasnt actually resulted in the union of welsh or English peoples within Britain itself. Nationalism in wales has been alive and active for generations, long prior to a bilingual policy or the re-emergence of the welsh language. Wales and England are still divided and have been despite there being no language barrier.

Race isnt really a dividing issue, even though some ardent nationalists would argue otherwise, obviously due to the centuries of immigration across borders etc.

But language isnt always a unifying factor, though it certainly has the power to be.

Theres no outward obvious active discrimination per say, no segregated busses, but that doesnt stop the Welsh and English fighting each other, insulting each other, occassionally murdering each other. Doesnt stop welsh nationalist terrorism, or the welsh having their own politcal party advocating devolution and compulsory language, or me wearing an England national sports team shirt in town without getting some abuse, or positive discirmination between welsh and english in companies organisations within wales. 

For the last one I shall state 2 examples. Many jobs in wales these days often require or prefer people who can speak welsh (even if it is never going to come up). If you come from England and thus have never had the opportunity, or any reason to speak welsh, you will be positively discriminated against for a native welsh speaker.
If you are a welsh student you will have your university fees cut by 50% even if you come from a very well off family. An English student studying in Wales from an underprivileged background will still have to pay full costs.


I went and saw the new Robin Hood movie the other day and they managed to get welsh 'jokes' into that, especially sicne they filmed it in Wales. Wales and the Welsh are a very 'small' people in many ways.

@opuslola

Americans become so tolerant maybe because they see to which big degree english is unavoidable as international language. But in the long run, they are wrong, of course: this preeminence of english was generated by american (and british) political and scientific power, and these are already subsiding! So they have the right to impose an official language on US territory, as any other political entity do, but of course, those that stress the fact that the english is best defended by prospering economically and scientifically also are not so wrong. Americans (and anglosaxons in general) are their own victims, because their model of society was based on the unrestricted freedom of religion (due to historical reasons), fact that foster parallel communities living almost without interaction; synonyms for that phenomenon, in my view, it is "bantustanization". The political reality is different in (continental) Europe, as anyone can see today...
The question is: can americans (for europeans that problem is less acute) remain prosperous when their population is getting old so quickly, and when the rapid ethnic change pose the problem of who’s values should prevail in society? (in periods of open ideological conflict the economy is suffering)

<<Are you saying that a sovereign state (in particular the US here) doesnt have the right to decide or impose a standardised and official language within its own borders?>>

Nurica wrote some where above;

"The question is: can americans (for europeans that problem is less acute) remain prosperous when their population is getting old so quickly, and when the rapid ethnic change pose the problem of who’s values should prevail in society? (in periods of open ideological conflict the economy is suffering)"

So, Sir! Just how would you like us old Americans to go "Out?"

Perhaps it is because we promise to keep our fingers upon the triggers of our considerate weapons?

Therefore, we oppose regulation and other Draconican laws, that would lead us into rebellion!