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    Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 21:08
Please check GS employee pay and GI pay from 1990 to 2010? Or don't you even know the abbreviations that I used?

And that does not count the inflation that has occured in Pakistan, India, Indonesia over the same period!

I retired in 1996, and thought I made pretty good money, but that magic word that you deny called "inflation" has made that pay somewhat normal/ lower mid level, in Federal Service today!

And you just have to know that Military Pay has increased even faster! After all these men and women are now "vols!"

In other words, the world today is more dangerous to our President than it was in the 1990's! And the real cost of most everything has risen considerably! Surely I might well have exagerated the costs! But you seem to "low-ball" the same!

Again you speak from a point of mis-education or mis-direction!

Unless you show some spirit of "getting along" then I will mostly ignore you from now on!

I am sure that will please red clay also!

It will also identify you as an enemy of both me and the USA, rather than a co-historist, looking for the answers!

Regards,

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  Quote TheGreatSimba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 20:39
Originally posted by opuslola

Well OK we will split the difference and call it 20-25 million per day

There is such a thing as inflation!

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Are you implying that $20-25 million today is worth 2 to 3 million in 1990's dollars?




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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 18:05
Well OK we will split the difference and call it 20-25 million per day

There is such a thing as inflation!

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  Quote TheGreatSimba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 17:19
$50 million dollars a day? Based on what? What an absurd claim. I dont think you fully understand how much $50million is and how hard it is to actually spend that much money.

Remember, the war in Afghanistan costs $190 million a day, you're suggesting that Obama's trip to India costs 1/4 of the daily Afghani war expenditure? What the hell is he spending $50 million a day on? LOL

Given historical expenditures on presidential travel, Its probably more like 3 or 4 million a day, if that.

Bill Clintons trips cost between 2 and 3 million a day. After 9/11, security concerns probably raised the cost, so Obama probably has the same amount of expenditures on trips as Bush did, probably anywhere from 3 to 5 million a day.

Given India's location in an insecure part of the world right now, and the fact that Mumbai was the target of a terrorist attack, I'm assuming they spent more money on security then usual, so I'd say 5 million is a pretty reasonable estimate.


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 17:14
TGS you did notice that even I admitted that the 200 million dollars per day was a gross overestimate, and I presented my opinion that the real cost was more in the area of 50 million dollars per day!

See buddy, I am supporting you now!
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  Quote TheGreatSimba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 16:54
Originally posted by Maximus

I didn't change the topic... I merely remarked that people of color were susceptible to his obvious 'mystical trickery', and that they would serve the world better if they reached out to their kin in Africa.

Thats the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. First of all Blacks overwhelming voted Democrat even prior to Obama, and have always been strong supporters of the Democrats (since the 60s). Saying that their support for Obama is something new and strange and is due to him also being  a person of color is completely ludicrous. Black people loved Clinton, and still do.

Obama's approval ratings amongst blacks right now is around 88%, which is the same as Clinton's approval ratings amongst blacks at the end of his second term.

So were blacks also susceptible to Clintons "mystical trickery" because he was white? And are now susceptible to Obama's "mystical trickery" because hes half black?

Originally posted by Maximus

But... Why do you assume I mined data from FOX News? 
Isn't that a bit arrogant of you?
FYI - HERE - is where most of my information came from... The Daily Mail in The UK


My apologies, although this goes to show that media has gone down the drain and no one fact checks anything anymore. Well, atleast now you know that the story is FALSE and complete and utter non-sense.
 
Originally posted by Maximus


Since you don't seem to have much else to offer this discussion than your love for 'the one', I think I'll move on to more productive avenues...
Have a nice day...
 
Maximus


Posting ridiculous misinformation does not add to this discussion either.


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  Quote Maximus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 16:49

I didn't change the topic... I merely remarked that people of color were susceptible to his obvious 'mystical trickery', and that they would serve the world better if they reached out to their kin in Africa.

But... Why do you assume I mined data from FOX News? 
Isn't that a bit arrogant of you?
FYI - HERE - is where most of my information came from... The Daily Mail in The UK
 
Since you don't seem to have much else to offer this discussion than your love for 'the one', I think I'll move on to more productive avenues...
Have a nice day...
 
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  Quote TheGreatSimba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 16:36
Originally posted by Maximus

Respectfully, this thread was about the "Black Church"... not about your hero.


Then why did you change the topic of conversation? You brought up this change in topic, not me.
 
Originally posted by Maximus


As I said, it is my fear that many, like you, will become enthralled with the hype of this character and fall victim to his publicity factory.  Looks like you are deep into the trance...
Sorry to have disturbed your afternoon snooze.
 


What publicity factory? You all seem to think hes not a citizen, or a muslim, or a nazi, or a socialist, or hitler...etc. not to mention the hundreds of rumors and lies floating out there. I guess his "publicity factory" isnt doing such a good job.

Obama has already done more than Bush did in 8 years, in a positive way. He has created over a million jobs (Bush lost us millions of jobs), he stabilized the economy, enacted healthcare and wall street reform, GOT THE TAX PAYERS MONEY BACK PLUS INTEREST AFTER THE BANK BAILOUTS, etc.. etc...

Obama has been doing a fantastic jobs, its those blinded by hate and ignorance that do not see this.
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  Quote Maximus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 16:31
Respectfully, this thread was about the "Black Church"... not about your hero.
 
As I said, it is my fear that many, like you, will become enthralled with the hype of this character and fall victim to his publicity factory.  Looks like you are deep into the trance...
Sorry to have disturbed your afternoon snooze.
 
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Liberal? Liberalism does not exist in US media. Even "liberal" MSNBC has a conservative morning talk show.

You want other sources disproving the ridiculous claim that Obama's trip cost $200 million a day and required 1 tenth of the United States navy?

Do you even know how that rumor got started? It got started as a result of an Indian news article citing an anonymous source....AND FOX NEWS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN REPORTING IT AS FACT and has been spreading this rumor like wildfire.


READ THIS, ITS ALL EXPLAINED


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  Quote Maximus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2010 at 16:18
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

Hey genius:

Dont trust Republicans/Conservatives/Fox News....they are good at one thing and one thing only, LYING AND DECEIVING.
Get it?

Quite a remarkable post...  Especially since it seems to rely on CNN for data.  Of course we all know that CNN is a fairly liberal news machine... but I guess that doesn't count, huh genius?

Might be a good thing if you sought some therapy for all that anger...
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What are you talking about? I cant believe Fox News has you so brainwashed that you have even changed your definition of news just so you can justify their blatant lies and propaganda.

Once again, by Glenn Beck's OWN ADMISSION:

With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: "I could give a flying crap about the political process." Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. "We're an entertainment company," Beck says.

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Nov-2010 at 15:16
"What fact? You merely pointed out the obvious (which you did not even know until after you read my post"

Correcto! I did not know nor care! And it rather seems Herr Olbermnn (obviously a NAZI?) did not care either, since he obviously broke the company rules!

You see to easily forget that News is a form of entertainment! If it was not entertainment, then the news might well be "five citizens murdered today!, four banks were robbed, six women were raped, two school buses wrecked and all aboard were killed!, two famous actors died, as well as one famous politician", five houses burned to the groud, Air Bus crashes into hospital and all 2,000 died, etc.!

The difference is that the names, places, and other descriptive items make this rather dull news entertainment! Notice that the basic facts are correct,but there are a lot of possible questions to be asked and answered for this "news" to be entertaining!

A news broadcast or news-paper with nothing but headlines is merely "attention grabing" if you find out no more information then you will tend to disregard the headlines!

You know I am correct about the above!

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Originally posted by opuslola

So Olbermnn violated company policy? Since you mention all of those FOX stars, then it seems that they have a different company policy!

Very simple really since there appears to be no "law" preventing it!

So just why did you even mention their names?


That is my "fun fact of the day!"


What fact? You merely pointed out the obvious (which you did not even know until after you read my post)

I merely pointed out to you the difference between a news organization like MSNBC, and an entertainment channel like Fox News. I applaud MSNBC for atleast having some standards for decent journalism. Fox News, on the other hand, is despicable, hell, News Corp itself donated $1 million dollars to the Republican Party. What type of "news" organization does that?

Which one do you get your news from? The news channel or the entertainment channel? You get your news from the entertainment channel.

With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: "I could give a flying crap about the political process." Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. "We're an entertainment company," Beck says.

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So Olbermnn violated company policy? Since you mention all of those FOX stars, then it seems that they have a different company policy!

Very simple really since there appears to be no "law" preventing it!

So just why did you even mention their names?


That is my "fun fact of the day!"
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He made personal donations with his own private money, up to the legal amount, to the candidates he thought were the best.

Sean Hannity gave $5,000 to Michelle Bachmann's political action committee, $2,400 to John Gomez (Congressional candidate). Thats just one example.

Sean Hannity, Sarah Palin, and Mike Huckabee (all with TV shows on Fox) have donated to (in the thousands of dollars), fundraised for, and endorsed DOZENS of Republican political candidates.

Unlike Fox News, MSNBC actually holds its journalists/commentators to a standard (which includes not allowing its journalists or commentators to make on air political endorsements or donating to political campaigns without approval) .

You wouldnt understand those standards though, conservatives do not have standards for much of anything really. FOX NEWS IS NOT NEWS, ITS PROPAGANDA.

Theres your fun fact for the day.

Keith will be back, dont worry about that.


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2010 at 17:16
OK TGS, I'll accept that the figures are way too high, therefor I will state that the real figures are somewhere about Fifty Million Dollars per day! OK?

Dont trust Democrats/Liberals (progressives), NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC or CBS News....they are good at one thing and one thing only, LYING AND DECEIVING.

Thanks for the idea TGS!

For an example pleast look at this report about the holier than thou Keith Olbermann formerly a progressive star on MSNBC!;

http://www.aolnews.com/politics/article/msnbc-suspends-keith-olbermann-for-giving-political-donations/19705123



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Originally posted by Maximus

Yes, Opuslola... There was no blood in the streets, thank The Lord!
And there does seem to be a bit of order restored. 
I was especially interested in the movement, albeit minimal, of Hispanics and Blacks to the Republican Party.  Why, in The South, that must be near sacrilege?
 
My hope is that this man in The White House is seen for what he truly is, and not a 'hero' or 'savior' to people of color... 
But is is surely difficult to sway the man in the street from feeling his President is nothing short of 'kingly' after the entourage he takes with him to India!  40 war ships? 3000 'staff'?  The ENTIRE Taj Mahal?
 
And we in the US are seeing our National Debt rise at the rate of $4.13 billion per day?
My, my...


Hey genius:

Debunking the myth: The cost of Obama's trip to Asia


http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/05/obama.asia.cost/

Dont trust Republicans/Conservatives/Fox News....they are good at one thing and one thing only, LYING AND DECEIVING.

Get it?
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Some times the "Mask" of the "Minstrel" starts to bleed!

See; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

Afterall the man is half?
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Yes, Opuslola... There was no blood in the streets, thank The Lord!
And there does seem to be a bit of order restored. 
I was especially interested in the movement, albeit minimal, of Hispanics and Blacks to the Republican Party.  Why, in The South, that must be near sacrilege?
 
My hope is that this man in The White House is seen for what he truly is, and not a 'hero' or 'savior' to people of color... 
But is is surely difficult to sway the man in the street from feeling his President is nothing short of 'kingly' after the entourage he takes with him to India!  40 war ships? 3000 'staff'?  The ENTIRE Taj Mahal?
 
And we in the US are seeing our National Debt rise at the rate of $4.13 billion per day?
My, my...
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