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Topic: Probable war battles. Posted: 22-Jul-2008 at 12:09 |
Originally posted by Antigonus_
Is Italy versus Greece probable? And even if Italy was embarrassed in WWII, do not think that history would repeat itself in this particular case.
I see that lots of people underestimate Iran's capacity to wage war. How can we be so certain that they will last for two weeks or two months and so on?
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Its the closest contest on the list, my pockets are not deep enough to bet either way on that one, i reckon turkey and greece is more likely, but even that isvery unprobable.
Iran have great numbers, but apart from the very large countries there isnt many countries the usa couldnt occupy in a very short space of time, and despite our not too shabby navy i include my own country in that.
Given two months and the will of the people the US can trample almost any country on earth (nukes excluded)
One US carrier alone has an airforce better than a great many whole nations have
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Posted: 22-Jul-2008 at 11:59 |
will we ever have another pop at the french is my big question.
The channel as the battle ground and the opposite coasts, im a realist and expect we would get thrashed if it happened before the fleet upgrades take place, i just ask because given the price of gas we could do with nicking a few of there reactors.
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Posted: 12-Jun-2008 at 23:28 |
Originally posted by Antigonus_
I see that lots of people underestimate Iran's capacity to wage war. How can we be so certain that they will last for two weeks or two months and so on?
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Posted: 12-Jun-2008 at 23:22 |
Is Italy versus Greece probable? And even if Italy was embarrassed in WWII, do not think that history would repeat itself in this particular case.
I see that lots of people underestimate Iran's capacity to wage war. How can we be so certain that they will last for two weeks or two months and so on?
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Posted: 11-Jun-2008 at 03:06 |
oh lord, you know something I dont huh
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Posted: 09-Jun-2008 at 08:08 |
First 4 are nothing to worry about,
The 5th now, that is worrying
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Posted: 09-Jun-2008 at 07:45 |
How in the world did you come up with Afgan v. Philo in Vietnam?
Regardless, wars in 2012 will be vastly different than wars we know of currently. There is a real possibility that humans wont be involved in future wars. Evidently, the more complex our computers are the smarter robots are. Some of the advanced states have working EDMs, I believe thats what they are called. EDMs are electronic bombs capable of taking out electricity within a limited range.
Bottom line, until someone build a 21st century "wall" the big boys will probably not risk confrontation against each other, too much to lose, including the planet. Why was there such an enormous competition to going to the moon after Hiroshima? Space exploration or a secondary home? If its for space exploration, then why has no one been back to the moon?
I say give it about 5-6 years before WW3.
Things to worry about: 1. New Russian president claims Russian econ will be at the top by 2012 2. China claims that a chinaman will set foot on the moon by 2012 3. The US will get a new president on 2012 4. Bird flu is expected to reach its max lethality by 2012 5. I will be in the 30s by 2012
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Posted: 14-May-2008 at 21:47 |
Originally posted by Gundamor
This is my opinion of the Globe and Mail. It has way to much editorial freedom and the amount of miss information in it is bad. It's coverage of the middle east and areas of conflict are especially bad and it constantly tries to manipulate public opinion with poor analysis. It routinely fails to inform the public. Typical newspaper i guess. I live in Toronto by the way and use to read it quite often, till I noticed all the things I mentioned.
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Unfortunately I live in Hamilton which is home to the Hamilton Spectator which occasionally has weddings on its front page. Worst paper in the world. The Globe & Mail seems to be the most decent paper available to me (which isn't saying much) although I agree with the overload of editorial freedom. What paper do you find to be most informative? I'd definitely give it a shot.
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Posted: 13-May-2008 at 23:17 |
Russia has much more technolopgical depth to deal with a long range war. A war for China with Russia would also be long range, even if it only in Siberia considering where the heart of China is.
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Posted: 13-May-2008 at 18:31 |
I really dunno I mean look at the War that Japan and Russia had at the turn of the century. The Japanese literally opened up a can on the Russians because of the lack of communications and speed of the Russians traveling over the vast distance to the East. so yea against China.. Things would not look good for the Russians but by the time the Chinese reached Moscow, their supply lines would be too long. But then again we are talking about modern warfare so their are many possibilities.
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Posted: 09-May-2008 at 15:39 |
I know that this is historical amusement, but it brings up a question. How might Russia, in the absence of very much major operational experience since 1945, deal with a war along her long Asian border?
Russia's historical model for fighting large wars has been to use the army as a sledgehammer. The most likely (indeed the only real) adversary for Russia along the eastern border is China. China has 10X the population of Russia, and does have interior lines along which to operate.
The loss of communication with the East, and/or the loss of control over natural resources or hydro-electric resources would be very damaging to Russia, so how might she contest such a war?
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Posted: 09-May-2008 at 15:29 |
Originally posted by Sparten
Actually, in a on the extreme eastern axis whose name I can;t remember (on the Russian border with N Korea), the Rusians have virtually no strategic dept. Which is actually true for a lot of the front. Add to that exterior lines for the russians. |
The only eastern port of consequence is Vladivostok, at the extreme end of the Trans-Siberian RR. The comment on strategic depth is well taken. As the geography of Russia in the West has been an advantage historically, the geography of Russia in Asia is a strategic liability. The communications are very vulnerable along the entire route from Europe; the distances are daunting, and Vladivostok could be isolated quite effectively.
As far as exterior lines, Russia is not at the moment a naval power capable of dealing adequately with those strategic avenues. The Arctic is difficult, problematic and expensive; the route to the East from the Baltic terribly long, and through Suez frought with numerous potential strategic problems, depending on conditions and how events might unfold.
All this must give the planners at General Staff a terrific headache every day.
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Posted: 09-May-2008 at 14:25 |
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IMO the most informative newspaper in Canada, the Globe & Mail, reported that Russia's military is obsolete, its equipment is from the later 1980s and that Russian officers live in poverty. I assumed it was good ole Western propaganda.
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The Russians are quite active in modernizing their military. There was a date set by there generals that I cant recall, think around 2012, that they felt the military would be back to modernized standards. This however doesn't mean that there military is weak at the moment. Though the still have plenty of obsolete weaponry the also have a lot of modern stuff. I don't think many if any would want to go toe to toe with them even in there current state. It's not really fair to compare anything to the states as their Defense budget is ridiculously more then anyone else. This is my opinion of the Globe and Mail. It has way to much editorial freedom and the amount of miss information in it is bad. It's coverage of the middle east and areas of conflict are especially bad and it constantly tries to manipulate public opinion with poor analysis. It routinely fails to inform the public. Typical newspaper i guess. I live in Toronto by the way and use to read it quite often, till I noticed all the things I mentioned.
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Posted: 09-May-2008 at 03:44 |
IMO the most informative newspaper in Canada, the Globe & Mail, reported that Russia's military is obsolete, its equipment is from the later 1980s and that Russian officers live in poverty. I assumed it was good ole Western propaganda.
Is Russia's military as obsolete as it's made out to be or only compared to the USA?
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Posted: 06-May-2008 at 21:26 |
Actually, in a on the extreme eastern axis whose name I can;t remember (on the Russian border with N Korea), the Rusians have virtually no strategic dept. Which is actually true for a lot of the front. Add to that exterior lines for the russians.
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Posted: 06-May-2008 at 21:12 |
Originally posted by Julius Augustus
I am just wondering if two big armies meet up for battle, who will win
here are my army probable battles
Iran versus US in Iran Italy versus Greece in Greece Philippines versus Afghanistan in Vietnam China versus Russia in Siberia
who will win
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What exactly do you mean by "probable battles"?
Iran vs. US, possible I suppose. Conventional military, crushing defeat of Iran.
Italy vs. Greece - as previously mentioned, happened in WWII, Italians were embarassed
In what alternatve universe is Philippines vs. Afghanistan in Vietnam a 'probable battle'?
China vs. Russia - China still has a long way to go, although they would have more 'staying power'.
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Posted: 30-Apr-2008 at 02:14 |
Originally posted by IDonT
Yes, small scale weapons and derivatives of existing weapons. They are very resourceful with what they have. I think they manage to put a Hawk SAM fitted as an air to air missile.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2008 at 20:03 |
I have seen this interwiev in a documentary,reporter asks a guy : - what have you felt when you were ordered to clean the minefield by walking on it?,and he said - Nothing! I was just thinking of how brave Ali Murtaza was.---
he must have been crazy,so I think US would suffer more in Iran.
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Posted: 23-Apr-2008 at 13:34 |
Yes, small scale weapons and derivatives of existing weapons. They are very resourceful with what they have. I think they manage to put a Hawk SAM fitted as an air to air missile.
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Posted: 22-Apr-2008 at 18:05 |
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Originally posted by Julius Augustus
Hello Idont, I see your point but if I remember correctly of three things, number 1, Iraq had US support, logistical, technical and etc when it attacked iran, with this, US had known already of the capabilities of the Iraqi army, number two most of Iraq's allies were not helping Iraq anymore and number three as Al Jassas says, raw recruits.
revolutionary guard is a pre-caution of the possibility the military will try to coup.
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Most Iraqi equipment were Soviet and French. The US military underestimated its own capabilities. Before the war, 10,000 body bags were procured because every body believed that that would be the casualty rate for US forces. When I say every body I mean every body (China, Russia, US, Europe, etc).
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didnt know that idont. good points. by the way, is iran producing their own weaponries now?
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