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    Posted: 09-Mar-2005 at 20:53
to Islam????? Hinduism would be considered pagan by Muslims!
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Mar-2005 at 00:11
Because Islam Never ruled all of India for starters, there were powerfull Hindu Kingdoms in the south whop remained independant from the Moghuls (although some paid tribute for a while IIRC). Before the Mughuls muslim powers only ruled parts of the North.
Muslim rulers havn't always been intrested in conversian, though, so theres no reason to assume that they would have even if technicly they could, and ultimatly its down to what the people there think, if Islam doesn't intrest them, then its a bit of a no go.
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  Quote Turk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Mar-2005 at 18:37
Originally posted by eaglecap

to Islam????? Hinduism would be considered pagan by Muslims!
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...by Muslims only?

Most rulers did not insist upon conversion, and the ones that pressed the issue too hard were probably burnt in one way or another by Hindu backlash (Hindus outnumbered Muslims remember).
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  Quote Jagatai Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Mar-2005 at 12:56
The Greatest emperor of Ghaznid Sultanate,Mahmud of Ghazni made 17 rushes to convert India.He wasn't very successfull,but he converted great amount of people into Islam in Northern India.
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 11:27
I doubt his famous 17 Indian Campaigns were made to convert the Indians.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 14:03
because the greatest muslim rulers of India where the ones that realized they would have less rebeliions if they left the Hindus alone.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 15:03
Amir Khosrow, one of the greatest Persian-speaking poets of India, says "Islam and Hinduism are your two eyes, they appear different but their vision is one".
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  Quote Bosnjo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 19:11

Like the Balkan, the Turks occupated the Balkan for 500 Years (South-East-Europe) but only 10% of Balkanians are Muslims.

One reason was money:

 From Non-Muslims you can get more taxes, Muslims have only to pay 2,5% according to Kuran.

The other power:

Muslims must have citizen-rights, all others were threated like slaves, in Feudal System should all be slaves of the King.

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 01:34
Originally posted by Bosnjo

Like the Balkan, the Turks occupated the Balkan for 500 Years (South-East-Europe) but only 10% of Balkanians are Muslims.

One reason was money:

 From Non-Muslims you can get more taxes, Muslims have only to pay 2,5% according to Kuran.

what are you talking about ?

Non muslims payed money for their own Protections that the Islamic Armies will defend them and that called Jezzyah

what muslims pay is called Zakka and that is not for the Ruler or any other power, Zakkah was Paid to the Poor and people who are in need.

 

Originally posted by Bosnjo

The other power:

Muslims must have citizen-rights, all others were threated like slaves, in Feudal System should all be slaves of the King.

not true

 

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 16:40
Azimuth, he says that the pre-Ottoman Balkan peninsula was run by feudal systems which threated the common people like slaves, so Ottoman rule removed them.
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 10:49

Originally posted by ihsan

Azimuth, he says that the pre-Ottoman Balkan peninsula was run by feudal systems which threated the common people like slaves, so Ottoman rule removed them.

and that was one of the reasons that there are 10% of muslims in the Balkan??

 

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  Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 23:59
Originally posted by azimuth

Originally posted by ihsan

Azimuth, he says that the pre-Ottoman Balkan peninsula was run by feudal systems which threated the common people like slaves, so Ottoman rule removed them.

and that was one of the reasons that there are 10% of muslims in the Balkan??

 

It looks like what Bosnjo is saying is that there was not any forced conversion, therefore only the 10% number. The tax on minorities was for protection, since conscription into the armed service was not allowed.  However, Ihsan is correct in rephrasing that before the Ottomans, Balkan serfs had very little rights. 

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 17:14
And there were still Christian soldiers in the Ottoman army.
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  Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 17:33
Originally posted by Bosnjo

Like the Balkan, the Turks occupated the Balkan for 500 Years (South-East-Europe) but only 10% of Balkanians are Muslims.


One reason was money/P]

From Non-Muslims you can get more taxes, Muslims have only to pay 2,5% according to Kuran.


The other power/P]

Muslims must have citizen-rights, all others were threated like slaves, in Feudal System should all be slaves of the King.



The difference is the the people of the Balkans, being Christains, were people of the Book so they were given the choice of paying the poll tax, convert, or die. Hindus are Pagan and pagans were not generally given the first two choices. I imagine it was the sheers numbers that prevented a wholesale conversion to Islam in India. Many converted to Islam to escape the Hindu cast system. I was reading about a movement in India for untouchables to convert to the Protestant faith to escape the corrupt caste system.
I do not know which is worse but it would be good to see oppressed people move up the social ladder.
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