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Topic: The Bloodiest Sackings Of Cities Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 09:45 |
There were numerous cities that were completely destroyed, and or, wiped off of the face of the earth by subsequent conquerors. In this thread we will discuss them, and hopefully come to an agreement on which one was the most destructive sacking of all.
One sacking that should be mentioned is the one in which Artexerxes III, 11th Emperor of the Acheamenid Empire from 358 BC, and Pharaoh of the 31 dynasty of Egypt, until his death in 338 BC, inflicted upon the city of Sidon. Marching in person, at the head of an army of 330,000 men, comprised of 300,000 foot soldiers, 30,000 calvalry, and with an accompany of 300 triremes and 500 transport/provision ships. The approach of Artexerxes is said to have shook the citizens of not only Sidon, but of the entire region. The city was utterly destroyed, burnt completely to the ground with more than 40,000 of its inhabitants slaughtered. Artexerxes even sold the remains of the cities ruins at high prices. He then marched into Egypt and soundly defeated Nectanebo II, Egypt's last true Pharaoh, and had himself crowned Pharaoh, bringing the Egyptians back into the Persian fold.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 09:54 |
Soviets in East Prussia. Koingsberg, Breslau etc.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 11:00 |
Nanjing by the Japanese, Merv (by the mongols which was even worse than that of Baghdad).
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 12:06 |
Carthage by Romans
Warsaw by Nazis
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 12:41 |
Jerusalem by the crusaders in the first crusade...
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 13:11 |
The destruction of Magdeburg during the 30YW was quite 'bloody', although the city was eventually rebuilt. Was the criteria for 'bloodiness' meant to be relative or absolute? By that I mean, 100% of the population of a smaller city of 100,000 might be killed - how does one compare that to the slaying of 50% of the population of city of 1,000,000 (i.e. 500,000 dead)? Based on the 'wiped off the face of the earth' criterion, I would rank the destruction of Carthage by Rome quite highly.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 13:26 |
Hiroshima another example. Nagasaki was less damaged to to an aimimg malfunction.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 13:59 |
Herat, Tus, Ray, Neyshapur, Qazvin, Kashan, Ardabil, Maragheh --> Mongols. Millions were killed.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 14:10 |
Dresden, if by the air counts.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 14:19 |
The impact of the crusaders sacking Jerusalem and other cities is often overestimated because of the symbolical value and contemporary resonance of these acts, but compared with the Mongols the damage done by the crusaders was negligible. The crusaders did not and could not devestate the Middle East as they did.
The Mongol sack of Kiev also quite brutal, with large scale massacres and rape. There could of course be no exceptions for cities that resisted and lost, that would only induce other cities to resist.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 14:20 |
Kiev in 1240 by Mongols.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 15:23 |
baghdad mongols, this guys created the trend of kill all who oppose. then it was copied by a lot, Artaxerxes might have been the trend setter, they say he was a relative of Alex.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 15:37 |
Samarkand and the Mongols? Didn't they create a mountain of skulls after winning?
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 15:49 |
Originally posted by Reginmund
The impact of the crusaders sacking Jerusalem and other cities is often overestimated because of the symbolical value and contemporary resonance of these acts, but compared with the Mongols the damage done by the crusaders was negligible. The crusaders did not and could not devestate the Middle East as they did.
The Mongol sack of Kiev also quite brutal, with large scale massacres and rape. There could of course be no exceptions for cities that resisted and lost, that would only induce other cities to resist.
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You will always find a massacre greater then another
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 15:55 |
Originally posted by Parnell
Samarkand and the Mongols? Didn't they create a mountain of skulls after winning? |
I think you're getting mixed up maybe, or I am. But AFAIK that was Isfahan and Timurlane was the culprit.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 16:05 |
Originally posted by Reginmund
The impact of the crusaders sacking Jerusalem and other cities is often overestimated because of the symbolical value and contemporary resonance of these acts, but compared with the Mongols the damage done by the crusaders was negligible. The crusaders did not and could not devestate the Middle East as they did.
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From what I have read, Jerusalem was a ghost city after the sack and the crusaders had severe problems...
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Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 16:18 |
Originally posted by Zagros
Originally posted by Parnell
Samarkand and the Mongols? Didn't they create a mountain of skulls after winning? |
I think you're getting mixed up maybe, or I am. But AFAIK that was Isfahan and Timurlane was the culprit.
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My apologies, I think your right now I think about it.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2008 at 17:31 |
My verdict probably would be -
>Assyrian Sack of Samara around 600 BC
>Gallic Sack of Rome 390/389 BC
>Charles V's sack of Rome 1527 >Sack of UR III culture at the end of the Neo-Sumerian resurgence c.2200 BC >Destruction of Strata VII of Troy c.1200 BC (no I am NOT referencing to the Illiad or any related myth - archeological evidence shows an extremely bloody battle where the entire settlement and surrounding countryside was burnt) >1789 French Revolution
>Rebellions of the Jaquerie in the Hundered years' war in villages, towns and cities all around Normandy
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Posted: 13-Apr-2008 at 18:07 |
Hello to you all
I actually agree with Regi that the Crusades, though bloody they were, were not the bloodiest episode in muslim history nor in the history of the levant. The Byzantine raides a century earlier were much more bloodier. Misis was a 200 k metropolis now just a mere village. The Syrian coast lost some 100 K killed and the same number enslaved. The crusades did sack a number of cities but muslims remained a majority in the countryside and in several important cities which were not sacked like Tyre, Acre, Beirut etc. The reason why crusades had so much imact is its great length and subsequent conflicts with the same countries that were involved with the crusades.
The worst sack in history, before the 20th century goes to the mongol invasions of the muslim lands and the 30 years war. Iraq was known to have some 10 million people living there, fom tax records, after the mongol invasion only 3-5 million were left. In the 30 years war Germany was so depopulated that the pope allowed polygamy if I am not mistaken.
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Posted: 14-Apr-2008 at 17:07 |
Well, not in named manpower lost but in other terms (percentage of people for example) the city of Kuressaare had 3 people and 1 house left after the Great Northern War - it began the era with ten thousand people or more.
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