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    Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 02:08
Can anyone share some  theories as to what happened to the Ark of the Covenant after the babylonians destroyed  Jerusalem ?
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 02:35
It was sold on E Bay.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Makes as much sense as most of the theories I've heard.
 
 
 
 


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  Quote Akolouthos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 02:58
Well, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (actually, they are not orthodox, but mono/miaphysite) claims that they have it...
 
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  Quote Suren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 06:36
Originally posted by red clay

It was sold on E Bay. 
 
Makes as much sense as most of the theories I've heard.
 
   


I thought they sold it in an auction in New York last year!
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  Quote Hebrewtext Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 08:46
there is atheory it is kept secret hidden in Vatican city .
since the Italian rule of Ethiopia. it was brought from there to the Vatican.
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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 12:40
A Lead on the Ark of the Covenant

When last we saw the lost Ark of the Covenant in action, it had been dug up by Indiana Jones in Egypt and ark-napped by Nazis, whom the Ark proceeded to incinerate amidst a tempest of terrifying apparitions. But according to Tudor Parfitt, a real-life scholar-adventurer, Raiders of the Lost Ark had it wrong, and the Ark is actually nowhere near Egypt. In fact, Parfitt claims he has traced it (or a replacement container for the original Ark), to a dusty bottom shelf in a museum in Harare, Zimbabwe.


As Indiana Jones's creators understood, the Ark is one of the Bible's holiest objects, and also one of its most maddening McGuffins. A wooden box, roughly 4 ft. x 2 ft. x 2.5 ft., perhaps gold-plated and carried on poles inserted into rings, it appears in the Good Book variously as the container for the Ten Commandments (Exodus 25:16: "and thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee"); the very locus of God's earthly presence; and as a divine flamethrower that burns obstacles and also crisps some careless Israelites. It is too holy to be placed on the ground or touched by any but the elect. It circles Jericho behind the trumpets to bring the walls tumbling down. The Bible last places the Ark in Solomon's temple, which Babylonians destroyed in 586 BC. Scholars debate its current locale (if any): under the Sphinx? Beneath Jerusalem's Temple Mount (or, to Muslims, the Noble Sanctuary)? In France? Near London's Temple tube station?

Parfitt, 63, is a professor at the University of London's prestigious School of Oriental and African Studies. His new book, The Lost Ark of the Covenant: Solving the 2,500 Year Mystery of the Fabled Biblical Ark (HarperOne) along with a History Channel special scheduled for March 2 would appear to risk a fine academic reputation on what might be called a shaggy Ark story. But the professor has been right before, and his Ark fixation stems from his greatest coup. In the 1980s Parfitt lived with a Southern African clan called the Lemba, who claimed to be a lost tribe of Israel. Colleagues laughed at him for backing the claim; in 1999, a genetic marker specific to descendents of Judaism's Temple priests (cohens) was found to appear as frequently among the Lemba's priestly cast as in Jews named Cohen. The Lemba and Parfitt made global news.

Parfitt started wondering about another aspect of the Lemba's now-credible oral history: a drumlike object called the ngoma lungundu. The ngoma, according to the Lemba, was near-divine, used to store ritual objects, and borne on poles inserted into rings. It was too holy to touch the ground or to be touched by non-priests, and it emitted a "Fire of God" that killed enemies and, occasionally, Lemba. A Lemba elder told Parfitt, "[It] came from the temple in Jerusalem. We carried it down here through Africa."

That story, by Parfitt's estimation, is partly true, partly not. He is not at all sure, and has no way of really knowing, whether the Lemba's ancestors left Jerusalem simultaneously with the Ark (assuming, of course, that it left at all). However, he has a theory as to where they might eventually have converged. Lemba myth venerates a city called Senna. In modern-day Yemen, in an area with people genetically linked to the Lemba, Parfitt found a ghost town by that name. It's possible that the Lemba could have migrated there from Jerusalem by a spice route and from Senna, via a nearby port, they could have launched the long sail down the African coast. As for the Ark? Before Islam, Arabia contained many Jewish-controlled oases, and in the 500s AD, the period's only Jewish kingdom. It abutted Senna. In any case, the area might have beckoned to exiled Jews bearing a special burden. Parfitt also found eighth-century accounts of the Ark in Arabia, by Jews-turned-Muslims. He posits that at some undefined point the Lemba became the caretakers of the Ark, or the ngoma.

Parfitt's final hunt for the ngoma, which dropped from sight in the 1940s, landed him in sometimes-hostile territory ("Bullets shattered the rear screen," of his car, he writes). Ark leads had guided him to Egypt, Ethiopia and even New Guinea, until one day last fall his clues led him to a storeroom of the Harare Museum of Human Science in Zimbabwe. There, amidst nesting mice, was an old drum with an uncharacteristic burnt-black bottom hole ("As if it had been used like a cannon," Parfitt notes), the remains of carrying rings on its corners; and a raised relief of crossed reeds that Parfitt thinks reflects an Old Testament detail. "I felt a shiver go down my spine," he writes.

Parfitt thinks that whatever the supernatural character of Ark, it was, like the ngoma, a combination of reliquary, drum and primitive weapon, fueled with a somewhat unpredictable proto-gunpowder. That would explain the unintentional conflagrations. The drum element is the biggest stretch, since scripture never straightforwardly describes the Ark that way. He bases his supposition on the Ark's frequent association with trumpets, and on aspects of a Bible passage where King David dances in its presence. Parfitt admits that such a multipurpose object would be "very bizarre" in either culture, but insists, "that's an argument for a connection between them."

So, had he found the Ark? Yes and no, he concluded. A splinter has carbon-dated the drum to 1350 AD ancient for an African wood artifact, but 2,500 years after Moses. Undaunted, Parfitt asserts that "this is the Ark referred to in Lemba tradition" Lemba legend has it that the original ngoma destroyed itself some 400 years ago and had to be rebuilt on its own "ruins" "constructed by priests to replace the previous Ark. There can be little doubt that what I found is the last thing on earth in direct descent from the Ark of Moses."

Well, perhaps a little doubt. "It seems highly unlikely to me," says Shimon Gibson, a noted biblical archaeologist to whom Parfitt has described his project. "You have to make tremendous leaps." Those who hope to find the original biblical item, moreover, will likely reject Parfitt's claim that the best we can do is an understudy. Animating all searches for the Ark is the hope and fear that it will retain the unbridled divine power the Old Testament describes. What would such a wonder look like in our postmodern world? What might it do? Parfitt's passionately crafted new theory, like his first, could eventually be proven right. But if so, unlike the fiction in the movies, it would deny us an explosive resolution.

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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 12:43
I seriously think Parfitt's may have found it.
 
 
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As Moses had said in Deuteronomy, he alone made the ark out of only wood. The writers of Exodus never seen the ark,or the tablets, as it was was always hidden and could have invisioned a ark made much like the egyptian art infulence.

When carried, the Ark was always wrapped in a veil, in tachash skins (the identity of this animal is uncertain), and a blue cloth, and was carefully concealed, even from the eyes of the Levites who carried it.


The Ark is constantly accompanied by clouds.


The relationship between the Ark and the shekhina is reinforced by the recurring motif of clouds. God's presence is frequently seen in the guise of a cloud in the Bible (Ex. 24:16), and the Ark is constantly accompanied by clouds: When God spoke from between the Cherubs, there was a glowing cloud visible there (Ex. 40:35); when the Jews traveled, they were led by the Ark and a pillar of clouds (Num. 10:34); at night, the pillar of clouds was replaced by a pillar of fire, another common descriptor of God's appearance (Ex. 24:17); and when the High Priest entered presence of the Ark on Yom Kippur, he did so only under the cover of a cloud of incense, perhaps intended to mask the sight of the shekhina in all its glory (Lev. 16:13).



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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 12:48
The Ethiopian claim the timeline is wrong.

They claim Solomon`s Son removed the ark in 1,000 BC ,however the Bible records the ark as being in the frist temple 400 hundred years later when the Babylonians destroyed it in 586 BC.


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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 12:53
Mountain of thunder


And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that [was] in the camp trembled.


Exd 19:17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.


Exd 19:18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.


What would be more fitting for Moses to have built, a wooden drum that thundered the voice of God.The Ark of Moses was also said never to touch the ground, just as in the lemba legend and also carried the voice of god .
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If Parfitt's theory is correct, does that mean that right now there could be another recreation of the ark holding the commandments yet to be found?
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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 14:06
Walraven you `ll have to watch  the documentry ( Quest For The Lost Ark ) on history  channel, it just air over the last weekend .
 
The  item that Parfitt's has found  a splinter was carbon-dated  to 1350 AD ancient for an African wood artifact, but 2,500 years after Moses. Undaunted, Parfitt asserts that "this is the Ark referred to in Lemba tradition" Lemba legend has it that the original ngoma destroyed itself by fire some 400 years ago and had to be rebuilt on its own "ruins" "constructed by priests to replace the previous Ark
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Probably taken to Babylon and melted down.
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  Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 14:44
Originally posted by Akolouthos

Well, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (actually, they are not orthodox, but mono/miaphysite) claims that they have it...
 
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They claim to have a copy of it. At least that is the conclusion of the program I watched on tv.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 15:13
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Probably taken to Babylon and melted down.
 
 
Not likely according to no less an authority than Graham HancockLOLTongueLOLWinkLOLOl' Graham says that the Babylonians were obsessive records keepers, if they had looted it they would have recorded it along with all of the other valuables taken.
 
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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 15:38
Seco, yes in the Kebra Nagast ,The text, in its existing form, is at least seven hundred years old,  however it odd that nothing was mention  or written  before that.
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In the documentary, Tudor Parfitt claims that he knows it wasn't destroyed by the Babylonians, because they would've recorded it, and the hebrews would've mourned it's lost, and still be mourning it's loss today.

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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 19:10
Moses, here is a man that wanted to put new laws into his people,and the non worship of idols. I can`t see Moses making anything to what the Egyptians had made in the art of worship.

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The Hebrews are hiding it today then  Red Clay. Orrcums razor, it stopped appearing after thge Babylonians even when old Cyrus showed up, ergo it got busted at that time. I saw that show too, and that Israeli acedemic was the most spot on.
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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 23:20
The last record of the location of the Ark of the Covenant in the Tanakh, (Old Testament), is Jeremiah 3:16. "And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the L-RD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the L-RD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
( That was most likey because the ark was taken away not mourned, they had plenty of time in between the babylon attacks  over a period of time to take it away.


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