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Most of the Old Testament stories were written in Hellenistic times.

 Joseph had horns and wore the the crown of laurel associated with Apollo ( Laurus Nobilis )( Gen 49:26 / Deu 33:16 ) , the story of Joseph concludes that he was placed inside a 'Chest' ('arown), which is the same Hebrew word for 'Ark' of the Covenant. 

The horns, crown of laurel and being handed over the crown of Egypt,  this identified him as 
Alexander the Great. 

Alexander the Great died early,   but soon after,  his body was placed inside a  coffin upon a funerary cart that travelled through Syria,  was hijacked many times( 1 sam 4:11) , it went to Macedonia and then to Egypt.

The proof is 1 Samuel 6:8   ' Funerary Cart '
 - Take the Ark (Coffin) and lay it upon the Cart 

The Ark of the Covenant  was Alexander's Funerary cart. 

Towards the end of the Ark's journey, it stopped at 'Beth Shemesh'  ( House of the Sun ) and Egypt was the final resting place of Alexander's funerary cart.
 



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Forgot to mention that Egyptian has mention of the "ark of the A(a)mu" (I think Bristowe mentions this?)
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Yes it is generally considreed that the ark was missing ever since time of Babylonian captivity.
Thats interesting i didn't know Josephus said such, i'll have to look it up. I think he also said the Ark was at Mt Gerizzim? (Is it coincidence that name Kiriath Jearim similar in English?)
But i wouldn't place too much faith in Josephus.
The bible is considered to imply in Kings/Chronicles that the Ark was definitely still there in Hezekiah's reign. Only mention after is in Josiah reign but it is not definite. Jeremiah possibly implies that the Ark was still there in his time before Babylonian captivity.
So i personally don't think Shishak [or "Menelik"] took the ark. (Shishak/Susakim may be Tutankhamun, (Zerah may be Ramses 2 "Sestura",) and his gold may have come from temple treasures. He is certainly not Sheshonk as orthodox have it, for various reasons including that their campaigns don't match.)
Seems to have vanished most likely between Hezekiah or Josiah and Zedekiah/Jeremiah times. Only major incidents then were bad reign of Manasseh & Amon, and Babylonians attack.
Re the Manasseh & Elephantine & Ethiopia theory Hancock's book 'Sign & Seal' is very interesting, and Bob Cornuke's.

Agreed that it is not very likely it would have lasted very well for so long. Depends on how well preserved by hiding place. But i had the thought awhile ago that the 10/12 commandment tablet/tablets would last, and the gold.
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I came across an article that said Josephus said that the room that housed the Holy of Holies in the Temple was empty, so that in the Secon Temple period (by Roman times) the Ark was already missing.

So the Ark either became lost during Egypt's (Sheshonq's) invasion of Judah, or the Babylonian's.   The bible did say Shishonk carried away everything of gold from the Temple in the reign of Solomn's son, and we never hear of the Ark again in the Bible, although we know the Ark was in the Temple in the time of Solomn himself.

Another possibility is that the Ark just rotted away - it was just made of wood covered with gold, and perhaps in a 1000+ years a wooden object could have become rotten.
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Yes it is true that it doesn't totally look like the ark in that there are no winged cherubim on top, but the object in pictures that i have seen nevertheless does still look to me abit like the (an) ark in some ways (box carried with poles very much like the ark). I only have dialup and only an older o.s. software so i'm not really geared up for pictures & videos etc, esp since google images got slower since changes, and i can't remember where i recently saw the picture again, but fortunately i have easily found it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rom,_Titusbogen,_Triumphzug_3.jpg . Its the object on the (our) right hand side with the poles crossed like a St Andrew cross. True no cherubs on top, but i still can't shake the ark-like similarity, esp when also with the menorah and other temple stuff. (Though i may not have seen very close-up large clear enough pictures and i could be wrong.) Zechariah father of John Baptist might have been standing by such a second ark when angel visited?

Sure they couldn't stop the city eventually falling and capture. But they knew for some time between start of the attack and the final fall/capture of the city and temple, and so they had time to hide the ark somewhere safe. It is possible to hide something where people won't find it. And they especially might not be likely to find hidden things (underground) in a devastated and deserted site. The other treasures were not as high value as the ark, so they didn't mind so much their capture.

"God" was only "unable" because he has to allow humans & world to go their way and do their things if they refuse to love him. Some priests or prophet loyal to God might have hidden the ark for prophetic future.

They might even have known all along and the silence is just to exoteric, though it looks like they don't know because they are allegedly looking for ark at Kiriath Jearim (unless they are really looking for the teraphim there or something else).

I did a rough timeline of all Israelite biblical history to view periods since ark's last definite mention.

God/eternity
"gap"/"Sammael's flood"?
Day 1
2nd day
3rd day
4th day
5th day
"6th day man" (Lilith, Samael)
7th day
8thdayman/Adam
Eve
Cain
Enoch
Irad
Mehujael, Methusael
Lamech
Tubalcain, Jabal, Jubal
Seth "8th"
Enosh
Kenan/Cainan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah c 1656 am
Shem, Ham, Japheth
Arphaxad
Shelah
Kenan?
Eber/Hud
Peleg, Joktan
Reu
Serug
Nahor
Terah
Abraham c 2000s bc
Isaac
Jacob/Israel [= Khufu/Cheops]
Levi, Joseph c 1800s bc
(gap), Ephraim, Manasseh
Kohath
(gap)
Amram
Moses, Og of Bashan c 1400s bc, c 2666 am.
Joshua/Hoshea
Caleb
Kenaz
Cushanrishathaim, Othniel
Ehud
Shamgar
Deborah/Barak
Gideon/Jerubbaal
Abimelech
Tola, Jair
Jephthah
Ibzan, Elon, Abdon
Philistines, Samson
Eli
... & ...
Samuel
... & ...
Saul
Ishbosheth
David c 1000s bc?
(Absalom)
(Adonijah)
Solomon (Hiram, Genubath, Menelik)
Rehoboam (Jeroboam, Menelik, Adramis)
Egyptian (Shishak/Susakim, Zerah) c 900s bc
(Israel & Judah & Edom & Syria kings/chronicles)
Neo-Assyrian (TP3, Sennacherib) c 700s bc
(Judah kings/chronicles c 600s bc)
Neo-Babylonian/Chaldean (Nebuchadnezzar, Necho) c 600/500s bc
Medes (Darius)
Achaemenid/Persians/Iranian (Cyrus)
[Athenian]
[Spartan]
[Theban]
Greco-Macedonian (Alexander) 300s bc.
Antigonid
Ptolemies/Egypt (Leontopolis)
Seleucids/Syria (Antiochus)
Maccabees/Hasamoneans
Herodian/Boethusian/Romans (vs Parthian) (Caesar, Jesus) bc/ad
Roman (Titus)
Byzantine
Persian/Parthian
Arabs/Moslems/Caliphate 600s
Crusaders/Templars 1100s
Ayyubids (Saladin)
Mamlukes
Ottoman Turks
French (Napoleon) 1700s-1800s
Ottoman Turks
Egyptian
Ottoman Turks
British/League of Nations 1900s
Israeli/Zionist/living memory (Wyatt, Rabin, Arafat, Netanyahu) 2000s ad
future/unfulfilled prophecy, eternity

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Originally posted by Arthur-Robin

Interesting thought about questioning whether the Ark really did have any energy effects according to the bible etc.

As to the Romans, the Titus column does actually possibly show an ark-like object. And a medieval picture shows an ark like object being carried before Pope Gregory during a plague event. (There is also an ark like object in painting in Monreale?) So they possibly may have an ark in the Vatican but it may only be a later 2nd ark from 2nd temple made after 500s bc. Antiochus Epiphanes is claimed by some to have captured such a 2ndary ark. The Vatican don't seem to have the ark though because otherwise they wouldn't be allegedly looking for it at Kiriath Jearim?

I find it hard to believe they would have let i be destroyed or captured.

If it was still in Jerusalem/temple in the Babylonian or other attack then somewhere nearby in Jerusalem is the most likely unless they were able to get away in some way and there was some safe area in some direction. The problem is they don't know for sure whether the ark was there anytime after Hezekiah's last testifying/witness statement. If it was removed during the bad reign of Manasseh &/or Amon then where could they have gone that was safe?

I don't recall any "Ark" like object depicted in Titus' Column, nothing with winged cheribum on it that th3 bible desribes.  A box might have been shown, but nothing like what the bible describes in detail.  Can you show me a picture of the object you have in mind shown on Tutus column?

If the Jews could not prevent their temple from being destroyed and their city captured, they would likely not be able to protect the Ark either.  We know other temple treasure was captured, the Jews were not able to hide them, why should we think the Ark be any different.

The Jews might have destroyed the Ark themselves to prevent capture I guess, and that would explain the silence - the Jews would hardly record the fact they had to destroy the Ark because God was unable to protect it.  But unlikely, the Jews would have hidden it, or allowed it to be captured, and trust God to see it was returned, along with the other temple treasure,
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Interesting thought about questioning whether the Ark really did have any energy effects according to the bible etc.

As to the Romans, the Titus column does actually possibly show an ark-like object. And a medieval picture shows an ark like object being carried before Pope Gregory during a plague event. (There is also an ark like object in painting in Monreale?) So they possibly may have an ark in the Vatican but it may only be a later 2nd ark from 2nd temple made after 500s bc. Antiochus Epiphanes is claimed by some to have captured such a 2ndary ark. The Vatican don't seem to have the ark though because otherwise they wouldn't be allegedly looking for it at Kiriath Jearim?

I find it hard to believe they would have let i be destroyed or captured.

If it was still in Jerusalem/temple in the Babylonian or other attack then somewhere nearby in Jerusalem is the most likely unless they were able to get away in some way and there was some safe area in some direction. The problem is they don't know for sure whether the ark was there anytime after Hezekiah's last testifying/witness statement. If it was removed during the bad reign of Manasseh &/or Amon then where could they have gone that was safe?


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Originally posted by red clay

Most of the legends surrounding the Ark speak of effects similar to radiation sickness.
The guardians at Aksum display similar after a period of time.



I am curious what are the sources for the legends surrounding the Ark in regard to your radiation sickness claim?   In the bible, the only person I recall being directly killed by the Ark was killed instantly, more like a giant electric shock than radiation.  


(I read one claim that the construction of the Ark as drescribed in the bible would act as a giant capacitor, with conducting gold over the insulting wood allowing a large and potentially lethal static charge to build up.  Don't necessarily by it, seems having the gold on the outside will lend itself for the charge leaking away, but I suppose the gold =ould build up quite a static charge if properly insulated.

The Ark had one of 2 fates, in my view:

a.  It was destroyed during one of the times that Jerusalem was captured.

b.  It was hidden during one of the sieges of Jerusalem, and became lost as the those responsible for hiding it were killed during the capture of the city.

Had an enemy, like the Romans, captured the Ark, we would have seen evidence of that, like the menora and other Temple treasures show on Titus Column,  In neither the Babylonian and Roman records is the Ark listed.  


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Most of the legends surrounding the Ark speak of effects similar to radiation sickness.
The guardians at Aksum display similar after a period of time.


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Could be. The case is indeed pretty convincing.

There are other things that can effect people (moral/sin/lies, genders-related, water, etc). Maybe the water is fluoridated there (Axum). Its been doing the same to us here. Reminds me of recent years pictures of the last 5 US presidents. Or could be like King Tut's curse? Or maybe they have some other piece of temple treasure like an ephod? Or a later second made ark?

In high school our science teacher said the Ark was linked with first known appearance of the bubonic plague. In late medieval picture has an ark being carried before pope Gregory 1 in a plague.

Jeremiah verses possibly hint/imply that the ark was still in temple/Jerusalem in Zedekiah reign. Jeremiah says that Rechabites would be forever. A source says there were Rechabites in Mecca area. (Did the Kaaba hold the ark sometime?)


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I'm of the mind that the Ark is in Ethiopia. The chosen guardians  show signs of deterioration  and only have a life of about 2 years after being chosen. There is something in the "holy of holys" that's affecting them.



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The Ark of the Covenant, one of the most famous lost artifacts of the Old Testament of the Bible, has been in the news again a few times. On the more far fetched side are claims of the Ark being at Oak Island, or at Temple Hardewyke. A more serious claim is that archaeologists are soon starting an excavation at Kiriath Jearim and allegedly have hopes of finding the ark there. Will they find the Ark there? It is our opinion that they won't. (They might find the teraphim that were there though?) The Jews have a natural expertise in biblical scholarship, and there are some clever elite gentile scholars, however the non-messianic-christian Jews and non-genuine-christian gentiles both lack or miss one or more key clues in this ark search. At the end of this post we give a list of all the main Ark location theories of others &/or ours. From this list we picked the locations which seem most likely to us. Below we briefly write on the reason for the most likely few locations (Bethesda, Engedi, Ethiopia, Calvary, Galilee).

Bethesda/Bethzatha/Bezetha:
Scenario is the Ark was hidden here sometime between Josiah/Hezekiah and Zedekiah/Jeremiah.
Possible reasons for this location include:
- In John 5:2 an angel comes down a causes the waters of pool of Bethesda to stir and whoever jumped in first was healed. This could possibly be connected with the Ark. In the pseudepigrapha an angel comes down and hides the Ark in some place near the temple.
- Bethesda is not far from where the Temple was.
- It is one of the hiding places of treasure in the Copper Scroll.
- The name Bethesda means "house of mercy/grace". This could possibly link with the "mercy seat" on the Ark. It would be special message to Jews and gentiles re "saved by grace", and "I require mercy not sacrifice". The pool of Bethesda had 5 porches/colonnades, and 5 is number of grace, and/or connected with 5 books of the law. Bethesda has also been confused with Bethsaida "house of food/fishing". Plus the "sheep market/gate" there (Bethesda) also links with christian message too. Bethesda was "discovered in 1888" which recalls Jesus has value 888 (and number 8 means "new" like Adam "8th day man", Seth was 8th after Cainites, 8 souls in Ark, David 8th son of Jesse, circumcision 8 days old, etc).
- Some of the claimed ark sightings under Jerusalem could possibly be of ark here? Wyatt supposedly saw ark under either Gordon's Calvary / Skull Hill or "old city of Jerusalem", and later when he went to go back with others he couldn't find the entrance.
- This is probably one of the more safer locations re past and present contemporary situations? Also it is possible that the ark has decayed alot now (eg why does angel no longer come?) and so if/when found it will become not a major issue/deal anymore (like some bible verses possibly imply)?

Engedi:
Scenario is the ark was taken to refuge here maybe in Manasseh's reign, or before Babylonian exile.
Possible reasons for this location include:
- An ark book said that there is a sealed-up cave at what is thought to be the true site of David's cave of Engedi (not the popular tourist one in same wider area). (However this was a couple of decades ago and we don't know if they have since opened this cave?)
- Engedi is a good possible refuge place not too far from Jerusalem.
- In the Bible has major emphasis on God's (Yah's) promise to David for ever. There are quite a few places where king David and covenant and the ark/temple closely follow each other (eg 2 Chron 23-24; Ezek 34/37-40). "David" is corresponded with "Jesus" (Yeshua). Some think that the mercy seat on ark will be Jesus'/Messiah's/David's throne? Engedi / Hazazon-tamar also has links with palms, which recalls "blessed is he that comes in the name of the lord". (And link with "fishermen" in Ezek 47. Is also near Betharaba which recalls John the Baptist? It was an essenes site. Acacia grows there.)
- In the Engedi area is a place-name Cades which recalls a nick name of Jerusalem 'Kadesh' "holy"; and a place-name Tel Goren which recalls the koren "horns/rays" of Moses; and a name Ein Shulamit "peace" which recalls Jeru-salem and Solomon.
- Could be a link of Obed-edom of David story, Obadiah's cave of Elijah story, and Edom of book of Obadiah?
- Has a date of 630-587 bc.
Cons include:
- "Only accessible to wild goats"?

Ethiopia:
Scenario is that Ark was taken out during bad reign of Manasseh. (Ethiopian tradition claims it was stolen by Menelik in reign of Solomon.) There is evidence that the Templars sought the holy grail in Ethiopia which was the "India" realm of Prester John.
Possible reasons for this location include:
- Hancock and Cornuke give pretty convincing evidences for an Ark having been there. We also found more evidences seemingly confirming that the "holy grail" was there. A picture of the magi bearing gifts to baby Jesus shows a grail in African's hand; and a picture of sons of Noah shows a cup by Ham (see picture in wikipedia "sons of Noah" article). The ark of the Lemba in Zimbabwe is possibly connected back to the Ethiopian ark, though it might link with Queen of Sheba & Punt?
- The bible says that there will never fail to be someone sitting on David's throne, and levites service. Ethiopia seems the only possible match for these two things between the last king of Judah and now. Where levites are there probably must be an ark.
Possible cons for this location include:
- It is hard to believe that the Jews would have taken their ark into Egypt.
- The "ark" in Ethiopia might possibly be the Table of the Sun mentioned in Herodotus.
- It is claimed that Karpet & Sapritchian managed to get in to see the ark and that it turned out that the ark is just wooden tabot tablets.

Calvary/Golgotha:
Scenario is that Ark hidden here via cave in time of Zedekiah, and that during the crucifixion of Jesus the blood of Jesus dripped on the ark, and that Wyatt found this ark in his underground archaeological investigations.
- Wyatt's claims of seeing the Ark under Skull Hill / Gordon's Calvary can not be dismissed without good reasons.
- Wyatt's claim of blood dripping on the mercy seat of the ark recalls the story of some blood of Jesus being caught in the holy grail.
- Skull Hill and the garden tomb do seem the best candidates for the real site of Calvary/Golgotha and Jesus' tomb.
Possible cons:
- Wyatt died age 66 which is abit of a spooky number.
- They claim that when Wyatt went to go back with someone else that he couldn't find the entrance again. (Though it is possible that the Jews secretly moved the ark from there to somewhere else and sealed up the entrance.)
- Wyatt has been accused of "fraud". (Though Wyatt has been proven more or less right not wrong about at least one or some things like Joseph in Egypt in 3rd dynasty.)
- It is maybe abit of a stretch to believe that the blood was able to trickle all the way from the cross to the ark through quake crack, and to last 2000 years?

Galilee:
- There is a Moslem tradition that the ark is in Galilee.
- There is a picture of wheeled ark in Capernaum, and this might be evidence of knowledge of ark being shifted up that way? (There is also a supposed "proto-ark" in Nabratein which place might be the real Nazareth of Jesus?)

The list of the main Ark location theories that i have found includes:
destroyed / in Heaven (Revelation/Apocalypse); Illinois (Kimball); Newark (Ohio, Dav Wyrick); America/USA (like Indiana Jones); Oak Island (fb); Temple Herdewyke (Stratford on Avon, UK, Philips / Cove-Jones); Tara (BI, Irish times); Pyrennes; "Priory of Sion has ark"; Rennes le Chateau; Chartres (France); Kalingrad (East Prussia, earth chronicles); Monreale; Vatican [there is a picture of Pope Gregory with an object that looks very similar to the/an ark]; in Ethiopia (Hancock, Cornuke, Grant Jeffrey, Raffaele); in Zimbabwe (Lemba, Parfitt); in Egypt (like Indiana Jones, cf Tut's ark); in Yemen; Mt Sinai; Petra (me when a teenager); between Moses & Aaron burial places (Pseudepigrapha); Mt Nebo/Pisgah (Apocrypha); Masada; Engedi; Qumran; between Jerusalem & Qumran (imaging); a now sealed/concreted-up cave/chamber under east Jerusalem; east of Jerusalem (Diefenbach, Norbergen); old city of Jerusalem (Procopius); Bethesda (me years ago based on John & Copper Scroll); Temple Mount (Rabbi Getz); Skull Hull / Gordon's Calvary "under old Jerusalem" (Wyatt); Bethlehem; in a Jordan church; Mt  Gerizzim/Samaria; kiriath Jearim (2017); Obadiah's cave; Bethel; Shiloh; "Jehoash took the ark to Israel/Samaria"; Tabor; city of refuge; in Galilee (Moslem) [there is a picture of wheeled ark in Capernaum, and is a supposed "proto-ark" in Nabratein]; Antiochus Epiphanes took 2nd ark? Babylon; Mt Tsurugi in Japan; [Australia (Schmidt)?]



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History of the Ark
The Ark accompanied the Jews throughout their time in the desert, traveling with them and accompanying them to their wars with Emor and Midian. When the Jews crossed into the land of Canaan, the waters of the Jordan River miraculously split and the Ark led them through (Josh. 3). Throughout their conquest of the land, the Jews were accompanied by the Ark. The most dramatic demonstration of its power comes when the Jews breached the walls of Jericho merely by circling them, blowing horns and carrying the Ark (Josh. 6).

After the conquest was completed, the Ark, and the entire Tabernacle, were set up in Shiloh (Josh. 18) . There they remained until the battles of the Jews with the Philistines during the Priesthood of Eli. The Jews, after suffering a defeat at the Philistines' hands, took the Ark from Shiloh to Even-Ezer in hopes of winning the next battle. But the Jews were routed, and the Ark was captured by the Philistines. Back in Shiloh, Eli, the High Priest, immediately died upon hearing the news (I Sam. 4).

The Philistines took the Ark back to Ashdod, their capital city in the south of Canaan, where they placed it in the temple of their god Dagon. The next day, however, they found the idol fallen on its face. After replacing the statue, they found it the next day decapitated, with only its trunk remaining, and soon afterward, the entire city of Ashdod was struck with a plague. The Philistines moved the Ark to the city of Gath, and from there to Ekron, but whatever city the Ark was in, the inhabitants were struck with plague. After seven months, the Philistines decided to send the Ark back to the Israelites, and accompanied it with expensive gifts. The Ark was taken back to Beit Shemesh, and, according to midrash, the oxen pulling the Ark burst into song as soon as it was once again in Israel's possession (A.Z. 22b). The actual text of the story, however, tells a much grimmer tale: The men of Beit Shemesh were punished for staring disrespectfully at the Ark, and many were killed with a plague.

From Beit Shemesh, the Ark was transported to Kiryat Yearim, where it remained for twenty years. From there, King David transported it to Jerusalem. En route, however, the oxen pulling it stumbled, and when Uzzah reached out to steady the Ark, he died immediately. As a result of this tragedy, David decided to leave the Ark at the home of Obed-edom the Gittite. Three months later, he moved it to Jerusalem, the seat of his kingdom, where it remained until the construction of the First Temple by David's son Solomon (I Sam. 5-6). When the Ark was finally placed in the Temple, the midrash reports that the golden tree decorations that adorned the walls blossomed with fruit that grew continuously until the Temple's destruction (Yoma 39b).

The Ark remained in the Temple until its destruction at the hand of the Babylonian empire, led by Nebuchadnezzar 586 BCE. What happened to it afterward is unknown, and has been debated and pondered for centuries.

 
 
Surely the Babylons would have recorded something of that value in the treasures  they had taken.
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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Apr-2008 at 12:50
Red Clay, that was my frist thought to, that there were two arks made, however after going over what Parfitt had suggested, the writers of the Exodus never really seeing the ark, could have imagined the ark to be like what the egyptians would have made,after all the books of the Bible are just that books that were written after the fact.
 
 In Deuteronomy it say the ark was made only out of wood.


Deut 10:1: "At that time the Lord said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood."

Deut 10:2: "And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou breakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark."

Deut 10:3: So I made the ark out of acacia wood and chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I went up on the mountain with the two tablets in my hands.
 
 
 
I realize  I `m mosty talking to myself here Smile however I find this subject so interesting. Thanks for your replys. 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Apr-2008 at 04:27
The instructions Moses had received said wood, Acacia, tbe.  "Covered in gold".   Docyabut, remember it depends on translation, how much influence other periods had on the writings etc.  Also, if I remember, the Ark you speak of was the temporary one.  This sort of goes back to what was saying about there having been many arks.  Any Ark constructed in manner instructed would have been "the Ark" once it contained "the Covenant".
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I think Tudor Parfitt did a very good research into his quest. I can`t help but think much of what was told in oral history when written the base was glorfied, the ark much like  legends of the city of atlantis was all covered in gold and sliver. the Ark could have been just what was said in Deuteronomy,Moses alone made the ark out of only wood.

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  Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2008 at 19:54
Maybe the Hebrews did make a very small Calf out of gold to worship, but not like the movie pictured, a huge calf with people hanging all over it %5bSmile%5d Out of earing rings? How much gold would a slave have owned? And I sure the Egyptains would`nt have let them haul all this gold away. %5bSmile%5d
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2008 at 15:23
All that is known for certain is that the tablets that had the original Commandments were supposedly kept in it.  Anything else is conjecture.
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