Originally posted by Aelfgifu
You seem to assume that the fact these gates were landmarks or monuments must in itself have been a reason to consider to preserve them in spite of them having become redundant or even bothersome. |
You're assuming I'm assuming!
I don't think you can have quite got the meaning of my first two posts... I didn't assume any such thing: according to Wikipedia, most of the gates were knocked down and rebuilt in stone (which in itself must have been costly and laborious) in the late 1600s, just one hundred years before they were destroyed. At this point, they were already redundant, and according to contemporary accounts seem to have been wanted
just as landmarks. This can also be seen by the series of prints commissioned of them soon after: they were already a source of civic (and maybe national?) pride it seems.
They were also widened... at a time when it was already acknowledged that they had outlived their function.
Given the illogical and impractical aspect of that last fact, and also given that their use as hospitals, prisons and other randomly assigned and historical functions was being continued, there must have been some debate. It's that hundred years plus of debate as to the legitimacy of rebuilding such useless artefacts between the landowners, lawmakers, traders and whatever passed for town planners in those days that I'm interested in, and how it came to be eventually (a mere hundred years later) that they were deemed totally disposable.
Originally posted by aelgifu
But historical awareness is a relatively new thing. It was not until the nineteenth century, with the emergence of nationalsm and national pride, and the subsequent awareness of historical pride and the uprise of scientific approach towards history that the idea that buildings needed to be preserved for the sole purpose of preservation of landmarks that any such considerations would be taken into account when deciding the fate of such buildings. |
Yes and no. I would have said that national pride is most definitely not a preserve of the nineteenth century. And while in Britain there seems to have been a uniquely (and violently!) utilitarian approach to destroying the unfashionable and deciding what was useless in the first place (nowhere in Europe had a programme of destruction as efficient as Henry VIII's, did they? And nowhere has been quite as joyously vandalistic as the Victorian pragmatists and raiders of antiquity in their promotion of industrialisation, have they?) it seems that the London gates were preserved specifically for antiquity's (or at least aesthetics/nationalism) sake over pragmatism...
Originally posted by aelgifu
From an eithteenth century point of view, a building like a gate or city wall which had lost its purpose (it was no longer needed as a defence) and which was in the way (they would severely hamper traffic), and wich would cost an enormous amount of money for upkeep had no real right to exist. |
In contrast, I think maybe your sensibilities in this case are very 20th century! You are assuming that the powers that be in the 18th century were as concerned with practical economics as we are. I know there were a lot of prominent economic and social movements in those days, but I don't know to what extent they affected the physical infrastructure: and that is precisely why I was interested in whether anybody had any references to/knowledge of the decision-making process as it was then.
Edited by Mercian - 25-Mar-2008 at 02:40