Who are you voting for?

Originally posted by Seko I heard of guys in�Spokane, Washington having ties to far right�conservatives�looking to�defame Democratic candidates, also worth investigating.

You have to watch out for those crazy conservatives!!

I know some here do not like Robert Spencer but Spencer is disputing any claim that Obama is connected to radical Musiim groups and I tend to agree with him. It is his liberal stance I do not agree with and nothing else. In some ways a President with his background could help us understand Islam and maybe not. He converted as a child to Christianity apparently but I know little about his church. I have heard some negative things about it but I need to see proof. I remember when the media maade a big thing about Romney and his Mormonism and at first I did not want to vote for a Mormon till I found out what he stood for and for me he was a better choice than McCain by far. Too bad he dropped out of the race. Tom Tancredo was the best choice but he dropped out also. We need another indpendent option who can win- not holding my breath-lol

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/20/a-word-with-barack-obama/

Edited by eaglecap - 05-Mar-2008 at 20:52

In some sense due to the past of course, the racism card is a one way street. And the way your looking at it is the acceptable way for things to be. Its also a touchy subject that i'm sure most of the people mentioned would rather not deal with it and just let it go the way it is.


Being an American living abroad, well just north, I'm not sure who to vote for. I don't consider myself rep or dem. Mccain was actually my early pick but now I'm not to sure about him. Being a military veteran he has always seem to be the most honorable person at least in the public realm. But I'm curious to see what would happen if we just pulled out of Iraq without meeting any goals. And I think Obama is the president for that job. Though I don't totally agree with his immigration views and I don't think his opinion on NAFTA is correct and should be focusing more on the ludicrousness of CAFTA and the nose diving economy instead. It seems like when it boils down to all the things that are currently going on I probably just should of voted for Gore in 2000 and really its hit and miss with any of these candidates. Though I prefer Hillary not to be in office.

I agree race should not be a factor but this is a sad fact in our society. Like I said earlier I would vote for Alan Keyes if he had a chance because I agree with many of his values and he is a nationalist and not another globalist or puppet to the global elite.

The one thing I fear about Hillary is her potential support of the (un)fairness docrine and hate speech laws which is totally anti 1st Amendment in my humble opinion. Kennedy has tried to pass this draconian Act for a long time and with Hillary it could be signed into law.

I refuse to vote for McCain no matter what!! I am hoping a good independent, who has a chance, will enter the race. I will vote for a conservative congress. Not voting for McCain is a matter of principle for me now.

Originally posted by Seko I can't  believe thousands of Americans fell for that ploy.

I can. Joe Blow isn't your brightest voter unfortunately, fear and subliminal intimidation move him further than a rational plan to improve either the economy or political infrastructure of this country.

Originally posted by Seko Originally posted by Akolouthos Originally posted by Seko For Dems, women, especially older ones tend to vote with Hillary. Hispanics tend to vote for Hillary. The impoverished tend to vote for Hillary. Lately white educated males have voted for Obama. Blacks tend to vote for Obama. The 18-30 age bracket tend to vote for Obama. What are you getting at?   What I'm getting at is not so much that certain demographic groups are going for certain candidates. What I am getting at is that the 8/10 margin African American voters have been giving to Obama is pretty strong evidence that race is a motivating factor. While we're on the subject, Hispanics favoring Hillary by such a wide margin argues that race is a motivating factor there too, albeit by a smaller margin. I am wondering why this has not provoked more of a debate about racism in the African American community. I can guarantee you that if whites were favoring Hillary by an 8/10 margin, it would, rightly, raise accusations of racism.   -Akolouthos   Ako I have no idea what is going on there other then conjecture. If I had to guess why the majority of Blacks vote for Obama I would base it on race too. Qualifying that as one thing or another is beyond me. In Ohio many Whites did vote for Hillary for the sole reason that Obama is Black. That is racism too. As far as the Black community getting upset over Whites voting for her is not too disturbing. Remember Clinton is their woman too. Blacks can't lose with either candidate. I would imagine they are too happy to care about racism right now. Me too. I would like to see more focus on the issues instead of who could answer a phone in the wee hours. Gee! So hard to do. 'Ring! RIng!' "Hello this is the President of the United States". I can't  believe thousands of Americans fell for that ploy.

Originally posted by Akolouthos Originally posted by Seko Originally posted by Akolouthos Originally posted by Seko For Dems, women, especially older ones tend to vote with Hillary. Hispanics tend to vote for Hillary. The impoverished tend to vote for Hillary. Lately white educated males have voted for Obama. Blacks tend to vote for Obama. The 18-30 age bracket tend to vote for Obama. What are you getting at?   What I'm getting at is not so much that certain demographic groups are going for certain candidates. What I am getting at is that the 8/10 margin African American voters have been giving to Obama is pretty strong evidence that race is a motivating factor. While we're on the subject, Hispanics favoring Hillary by such a wide margin argues that race is a motivating factor there too, albeit by a smaller margin. I am wondering why this has not provoked more of a debate about racism in the African American community. I can guarantee you that if whites were favoring Hillary by an 8/10 margin, it would, rightly, raise accusations of racism.   -Akolouthos   Ako I have no idea what is going on there other then conjecture. If I had to guess why the majority of Blacks vote for Obama I would base it on race too. Qualifying that as one thing or another is beyond me. In Ohio many Whites did vote for Hillary for the sole reason that Obama is Black. That is racism too. As far as the Black community getting upset over Whites voting for her is not too disturbing. Remember Clinton is their woman too. Blacks can't lose with either candidate. I would imagine they are too happy to care about racism right now. Me too. I would like to see more focus on the issues instead of who could answer a phone in the wee hours. Gee! So hard to do. 'Ring! RIng!' "Hello this is the President of the United States". I can't  believe thousands of Americans fell for that ploy.   Well, Seko, if you yourself are willing to implicitly acknowledge that this is happening, and that it is racism, then we do not disagree on the premise of my question, and hopefully we can proceed -- although I would note that the margins of victory in the specific demographic groups suggest, unless anyone can posit a more realistic explanation, that there is more racism in the African American community (or at least among that portion of it that has voted in primary contests thus far). The question I had in mind, if pursued, would deal more with how our culture should respond to this. For instance, I'd like to hear the take of civil rights activists like Jackson and Sharpton, who often criticize preference on the basis of race, on this phenomena. It would really be nothing surprising if we were thinking rationally as a society. My point is that we are not thinking rationally as a society. We are, in essence, establishing a double standard, which in this case affects our collective thought processes and public discourse negatively.   As for the general election, I am thoroughly unconcerned with it, at least for the purposes of this question.   -Akolouthos

Edited by Seko - 07-Mar-2008 at 18:31

ps- our Ohio natives on AE are excused for habitating there. Plus you got good chili. That kinda makes up for your situation. From now on your home is here on the forum though.

Hey now, as a resident of Ohio I must make it clear that I absolutely hate OSU and personally cheered at every loss they had in the past few years. (Especially losing the National Championship to Florida not once but twice.)

Of course, Cincinnati is only de jure in Ohio, when it is de facto it's own mini-state whose borders extend just past the I-275 loop. And besides we all know all the good Chili is in Cincinnati so Ohio really has nothing going for it.

Originally posted by Panther   Es_bih, Seko, Hugoestr.   This is ridiculous!

Understandable

Originally posted by Panther  Both sides care about their country.

Not exactly true.

Originally posted by Panther Neither one cares more then the other about the problems this country faces!

True.

Originally posted by Spartakus Originally posted by Panther  Both sides care about their country. Not exactly true.