Native Americans on all empires???

The League was actually started in the 1300s as you can tell by the astrological signs reported in their history and legends.  It was in fact a very intelligent system binding allies and integrating them into a matriarchal meritocracy over time.  In my own opinion it is the single finest form of government that has ever been found in the world.  Before contact when there were many more Iroquois they had a much more settled and agricultural lifestyle but unlike man ysocieties they retained their freedom even after the move to agriculture.  They also remained warriors because they and the HUron were isolated islands of Iroquoians in a sea of Algonquin ethnic people, hence the skill at war.

Here is their constitution as dictated in writing long after contact.

http://www.constitution.org/cons/iroquois.htm

I to have distant roots, Seneca Iroquois to be exact. The Iroquois league is one of my favorite things in all of history, but Plains Indians are cool too as they are similair to steppe peoples whom I also love

Funny, who knows we could have a common ancestor.

Dear American Forumers,

   Hi there. Best wishes and respect. Well, I'm from your neighbor subforum; Steppes and Central Asia. I'm looking for anybody who is Native American or is able to talk in their language. My question is:

How do you say 'island' in Native American languages?

Does is it have anything related with the word 'Canada'?

I'm looking forward to hearing about what you can do to help solve this problem. I appreciate all your help. Take care and take it easy.

Kind regards,

Iltirish Yemreli

Hi there! Im half mayan by the side of my father (by the other side im spanish)...i dont speak mayan, but my grandparents used to...they just forggot how to...

Im going to take mayan lessons in a few days...so i wish can refind my real mother root.

I personally don't have any Native American forefathers.

Some of the Spanish aristocracy in Spain (Duquesa de Alba etc...) descend directly from Aztec Emperors according to this site.

Did I say we were going to sacrifice? and how could you like sacrificing? it must be a custom of your people. Obiously you dont know anything about Mexican culture except that we eat tacos and beans. We wont sacrifice to the Ometeotl anymore because we Ometeoist follow the teachings of Topiltzin Ce Acatl Quetzalcoatl today.

So you must love sacrificing humans then I dont want to offend your culture because I guess you guys sacrifice people today.

Cualli Tonalli ihuan Tlazohcamati

Edited by ITZOCELOTL

My grandmother was American Indian. She was raised in a catholic monastery orphanage, though. So, that makes me a quarter something...

Originally posted by ITZOCELOTL I am Mexican and I am Meztizo but I am 102 % proud of my Mexican roots and I do not care anything about my Spanish roots I see them as invaders and intruders to my nation. How could we Mexicans be proud of being Spanish? that is like a jew saying he is proud he is half german. I am native american and our Mexican culture still lives today. Our food is Mexican, our flag, our physical features, but the Spanish corrupted much of our culture. They took away our beliefes and made them chritian style. Most of us speak spanish when we should be speaking nahuatl. We have spanish names and we bare the last name of the Spaniard who inslaved our great great grandpa or grandma. We must fight back and change to the real Mexican culture.

Well, it's not considered 'cool'. It's just that most Americans do have native

All regular pre-Columbian contact can be easily disproven by pointing at the fact that millions of indians died of deseases after the Spanish discovered the continent. If there were really regular contacts between the old and the new world before 1492, epidemics would have wiped out much of the native American population much earlier, and the remaining indians would have been more resistant against European deseases upon the arrival of the Spanish.

but anyay, some rebuttals against some specific points of your theory:

Iroquois for example, I believe is the Egyptian name Ur Hekau...Mighty people of magic words.  Others have said this is incorrect, and is a slang negative description of them, where the actual name may be..."Haudenosuanee"...pronounced �ho dee noe sho nee�.   Well, in that case, there is another Egyptian name that caught my eye in the 1920 book... An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary  by Wallis Budge...   "Huit Antiu" page 469. As vowels were not "invented" until 750 BC by the Greeks, we can only guess as to how it is pronounced.. Whoo-ee-tee-ann-shoo .....or even... Huu-ee'-tee-aa-na'-shoo   Is this the �ho dee noe sho nee� of the Iroquois?

The Iroquois lived from about 1200 onwards, long after Ancient Egypt. Apart from that, both the etymology of Iroquois (an insulting name from the Hurons, forgot the meaning) and Haudenosee ("people of the longhouse" in their own language) is already known, and both explanation are much more plausible than the Egyptian one. Why should you assume that Haudenosaunee is derived from Huit Antiu if it already has a perfectly logical meaning in the Iroquois language itself. Apart from that, "Ur Hekau" to "Iroquios" is quite fuzzy, you could just as well say that Iroquois is derived from "you're OK".

The same is true for all other etymologies you mentioned. Most of them have perfectly acceptable etymologies, and the ones you mentioned are too creative and fuzzy to be taken seriously.



Edited by Mixcoatl - 27-May-2006 at 15:54