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    Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 18:35
Originally posted by Mortaza

isnt it obvious? ottomans killed and raped balkans for 500 year or maybe 1000 year.

 

If we killed, raped for 1000 years I think there wouldnt be ANY other balkan states. Ottomans ruled well, there isnt any murders recorded. Read Colin Imber, Halil Inalck, Dimitri Kantemir, Alfons de Lamartine, Hammer, Babinger...... There wasnt any riot and because of this murder wasnt common. Balkan states lived in peace for 300 years, which they didnt see before and after
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Hi,
Come on Evrenogazi how can you say "ther int any murders recorded"? It
is simply impossible. Hundreds of bloody events took place under
ottoman rule even if it was normally quite peaceful.
If only, what do you thinks the Janissaries were doing in Greece during
the 1571-1572 uprising? What have they done in Rhodus in 1522? And so
on...
Ottoman rulers were imperialists and you run an empire by being nice.
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yeah, Ottomans were worse than crusaders, red army, mongols, and Spanish Conquisadors. After all, they killed all balkain people, plus some of europeans, also a lot nation destroyed under their rules.

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Originally posted by Mortaza

yeah, Ottomans were worse than crusaders, red army, mongols, and Spanish Conquisadors. After all, they killed all balkain people, plus some of europeans, also a lot nation destroyed under their rules.

Becareful, wolf is still hungry.

(greek+armenian+serb+bulgar+persian),thanks for vote ottoman.

 
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Ottomans all Roman orients
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Originally posted by Evrenosgazi

Originally posted by Genghis

Who are the fifteen people who voted for America?  I'd like to hear how we're worse than the Assyrians and Mongols.

And I am also curious why ottoman army is fiercer than mongols and crusaders

That's another good point.
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Pool is not objective, for exp: even I dont like USA army, It deserve 0 vote compared with other nations.

Some People voted country they didnt like.

 
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Originally posted by Evrenosgazi

Originally posted by Mortaza

isnt it obvious? ottomans killed and raped balkans for 500 year or maybe 1000 year.

 

If we killed, raped for 1000 years I think there wouldnt be ANY other balkan states. Ottomans ruled well, there isnt any murders recorded. Read Colin Imber, Halil Inalck, Dimitri Kantemir, Alfons de Lamartine, Hammer, Babinger...... There wasnt any riot and because of this murder wasnt common. Balkan states lived in peace for 300 years, which they didnt see before and after
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Originally posted by Digenis

Originally posted by Evrenosgazi

Originally posted by Mortaza

isnt it obvious? ottomans killed and raped balkans for 500 year or maybe 1000 year.

 

If we killed, raped for 1000 years I think there wouldnt be ANY other balkan states. Ottomans ruled well, there isnt any murders recorded. Read Colin Imber, Halil Inalck, Dimitri Kantemir, Alfons de Lamartine, Hammer, Babinger...... There wasnt any riot and because of this murder wasnt common. Balkan states lived in peace for 300 years, which they didnt see before and after




I am saying the authors name. I am not claiming ottoman army was angel. But how can they be worse than crusader and Mongols. They outclass the otoman army in cruelty. Digenis the ethnic composition in Balkan staes is similar TODAY. Especially the Orthodox Christianity take a breath with ottoman occupation. If there was no ottoman there will be a catholic state in balkans. When turks occupied Balkans especially the greeks, Bulgars show little resistance. And they were loyal until late 18th century.  
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Originally posted by Mortaza

Pool is not objective, for exp: even I dont like USA army, It deserve 0 vote compared with other nations.

Some People voted country they didnt like.

 

I agree (ottomans %20-mongols%13)
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Originally posted by Maharbbal

Hi,
Come on Evrenogazi how can you say "ther int any murders recorded"? It
is simply impossible. Hundreds of bloody events took place under
ottoman rule even if it was normally quite peaceful.
If only, what do you thinks the Janissaries were doing in Greece during
the 1571-1572 uprising? What have they done in Rhodus in 1522? And so
on...
Ottoman rulers were imperialists and you run an empire by being nice.
Bye.
Okay this is wrong. But there isnt any systematic murder. And ottomans kill more turkoman than christian. the balkan states advanced until 18th century. In 19th century they regressed as anatolia to.
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Hi,
To Evrenogazi:
1) There was a kind of systmatic pounding from ottomans in Russia,
Hungary and in the Mediterranean (60,000 slaves in Algiers in the early
17th century accorrding to Pre Dan on less than 100,000 inhabitants
denotes a real large scale
economy of kidnapping).
2) Of course Ottoman were less cruel than Mongols but there are much
more Turks on this forum so it's funnier to vote for Osmanlis' armies. Just
to start an argument. ><
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yes france empire was a angel

in algeria,west africa ...............

french slave trader...
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What is the main object  of an Army? Fighting!

Did  anyone  heard  about  a  peaceful War?Or  about  an peaceful Army?

You  train mainly  soldiers  to kill,to conquer,to invade and rule countries  etc etc.And  non  of these  reasons  are  peaceful or nice.

Therefor you need an  Army  which  is  cruel.A good  soldier is someone  who can kill  any  enemy  without  having  sensibility.

  Cruel  Soldiers=Good Army

  Ottoman  Emperium  was based  on  Janisseries  which were  professional soldiers  which were  (in the  early  and  strong times)  isolated  and trained  to be  bad.So they were  crueler  than a  farmer  which was conscripted or  a  soldier  with  family.

 They were  cruel  against  ottoman citizens against enemies  against their  own against  the ottoman cavalry  against  the  vezirs  and  against the sultan own.

  Ottoman  janisseries  were  the cruelest  Soldiers  so Ottoman Army was the  cruelest  Army  till  The  janissery  Codex  of  Sultan Sleyman  was  broken.

  Ottoman turks , Mongol Hordes and  citizens  of  U.S. are  not  Armies!!!!!

 

 You can not  compare  apples  with  pears.
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Hi,
to merced12:
French imperialist army was indeed one of the very worst during the 19th
century (during the 20th there was more concurrence). I never tried to
deny it. Even Belgian manage to create their multi-millions deads
genocide in Congo (exact date unknown to me).
to o-irengun:
any man with a weapon is ban to be cruel. (D. Rumsfeld even shot a
friend of his)
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I think the Red Army should  be separate from the KGB...
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Originally posted by o_irengun


Therefor you need an Army which is cruel.A good soldier is someone who can kill any enemy without having sensibility.


Cruel Soldiers=Good Army



No, not always. That's why professionalism and discipline have always been so valued among militaries. Having very sadistic soldiers who cannot control their impulses is generally a bad thing, and has been for a very long time. It's pretty easy to get an army to kill and loot, it's more difficult to get one that will stop when ordered. Also the same armies that can't be stopped from ravaging civilian populations, are the ones that break ranks and rout easily when faced with a powerful enemy.
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  Edgewaters  you are  right  cruel armies  are not ''allways''  good. But a professional and disciplined  army which is also cruel  is very usefull.Especially in the times  of swords.

 Maharbball  generally  the human  natur  is cruel  most people dont need a weapon  to be violent!!So  u are right too )) 
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I see a few people questioning why some put the Turks.  The Armenians were forced to leave their lands during WWI and were practically decimated.  This genocide was covered up by the Ottoman leaders.  It is unfortunate that few know of this tragedy.  I voted for the Imperial Japanese army, however the Assyrians were the worst of the Ancient civilizations for sure.
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No doubt the Assyrians, no other nation can match their brutality and cruelty. Turks as a clear second.

Edited by Azadi - 12-Apr-2010 at 09:08
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Boy this is an oldie but moldie!

What is the cruelest army on Earth?

I am not sure what the criteria is for this!

cruel meaning how many people were slaugtered or how they treated conquered people.

I put Stalin of course since the Communist have murdered more people, in such a short time span, than all the religious wars in our history. I mean Muslims, Christians, Hebrews or any other group.

1.     Stalin’s Red Army/KGB
2.     The Mongol Hordes
3.     Ottoman Turks
4.     Spanish Conquistadors
5.     Japanese WW2 Imperial Army
6.     Roman Legions
7.     The Crusades


Edited by eaglecap - 12-Apr-2010 at 14:02
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