Kosovo

well 80% or so of Thracians live on the territory of modern Bulgaria

 Huh? So until now you had no idea Thracian tribes lived in Serbia and now you estimate those who lived in the territories of modern Romania, Serbia, Greece and Turkey (not to count each ex-Yugoslav state or separatist region) to ~20%, right?

Originally posted by Chilbudios Though it was said several times maybe it passed unnoticed: Serb ethnicity and culture is much more related to its Balkanic neighbours than to Russia or Poland. In other words except for language, there's little else "Slavic" about the Serbian people. Like I've said in another thread: this is not really problem of Balkan mentality, it's a worldwide phenomenon. Maybe in some "civilized" countries people learned to care less, but deep inside many still have the same flawed understanding of language, ethnicity, culture, which ultimately divides the world in "us vs them".

Originally posted by Spartakus Nice to see that no one quotes me. It makes me feel very good to know that nobody pays attention to what i say!

Originally posted by Ikki If the serbs from the northern provinces of Kosovo, want split out and unify with Serbia, it's the same right than Kosovo have used for separate from Serbia, right? Should be accepted by the alban-kosovars...

What if an ethnic group become majoritary in a region of a country, say, Albania?    Should they obtain independence?




In Romania, the independance of Kosovo generated both hope and angry, but not at the same people.

Hope and joy for the Hungarisn minority which is seeing this as a good precedent for their claims to obtain authonomy of the Szekler region, in the very geographical center of Romania.

Angry for Romanians for the same reason.


For me, such an authonomy is not only an injustice but will affect terrible my life and like many Romanians, I would have peace untill this situation would be eliminated.

Yougoslav.why dont you find me a single map of Serbia from 1817 to 1912 that includes Kosovo??????

So Serbian history didn't exist before 1817? Just because a major migration of peoples has happened since the Medieval period doesn't mean that the Serbians should lose all claim to their former lands.

Are you sain that after 400 years the Serbs felt they had a right to claim Kosovo,but that the Albanians living there should not have the right after just under a centrury?

All parties present maintain their rights, both the Albanians (I'd prefer Kosovars since to call them Albanians lends the idea that they will merge with Albania and if this occurs there will be war in the Balkans), and the Serbians. Neither party has any right to deny the claims of the other.

But Slovakia will ,and eventually all E.U countries will recognise it.

Unless of course Serbia eats it up again.....

^^^ Would it be possible for us to stick to the topic?

Once a thread gets more than three pages it is undeniably impossible to stick on any topic.

Nice to see that no one quotes me. It makes me feel very good to know that nobody pays attention to what i say!

Exactly.

modern Germany assuming all ethnicities living on the modern territory would comprise the Celts (Homeland), Slavics and Romans, we could claim the shit out of almost all of europe?!

Isn't that what Germany did in WWII anyway?............Point is anyone can concoct any history to claim anything, I mean if you really wanted to a British person could go all the way back to the Nostratic peoples and claim the entire Old World.

Serbia existed only since the midle ages and not before, whats so difficult to understand about that? America can't claim 10,000 years of hsitory just because they happen to live on the same ground as the native hunter gatherers that went over from Asia. I mean do you say that Turkey is modern Hittitistan or something?

I agree, genetics do not define a cultural group, I mean you don't need to look much further than the germans to see that.

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As to the recent history of Kosovo I see a repeat of the Republic of Texas. Early on in Texas history Mexico offered settlements to American nationals who jumped at the chance to occupy a more or less empty land. Eventually a new regime happened in Mexico that begin to take offense to the Americans not assimilating into their culture. They then began to use their government powers to abuse the Americans, this lead to the Americans declaring an independent Texas, after a brief conflict Texas gained peace as long as it didn't join with the United States, well the US offered union with Texas and Texas agreed, sparking the Mexican-American war.

I see this as a good possibility of occuring with Albanians using the creation of Kosovo as an attempt to "invade" Serbia with the pretext of Albania being the victim to a Serbian agressor when the Albanian nationals in Kosovo where the agressors. Is this not a good analogy to understand the problems with an independent Kosovo?

Originally posted by vulkan02  If Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina and FYROM were allowed to freely go without much hassle

freely without much hassle?!, are you forgetting the bloody war that break through?,  if this is for you "freely without much hassle" then you are completely wrong
In wikipedia you have a nice article about the easy and a "freely without much hassle" Croatian War of Independence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_War_of_Independence#Casualties_notes

In six months, 10,000 people had died, hundreds of thousands had fled, and tens of thousands of homes had been destroyed. - you can find these on wikipedia






Edited by Illirac - 20-Feb-2008 at 07:07

Originally posted by Illirac Originally posted by vulkan02  If Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina and FYROM were allowed to freely go without much hassle freely without much hassle?!, are you forgetting the bloody war that break through?,  if this is for you "freely without much hassle" then you are completely wrong In wikipedia you have a nice article about the easy and a "freely without much hassle" Croatian War of Independence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_War_of_Independence#Casualties_notes In six months, 10,000 people had died, hundreds of thousands had fled, and tens of thousands of homes had been destroyed. - you can find these on wikipedia

Of course I know about the war  but obviously I know what happened after. Freely without much hassle means that virtually no countries opposed their independence.

Same thing happened in Kosovo. 10000+ people died, hundred thousands fled into Albania, thousands homes destroyed etc. Same symptoms, different results after the war.

Originally posted by vulkan02 Of course I know about the war  but obviously I know what happened after. Freely without much hassle means that virtually no countries opposed their independence.

Aha...I understood wrong then

Originally posted by Theodore Felix The problem with that is that "northern Kosovo" is not really a recognized entity with defined borders. Its purely on ethnic grounds. Which means that Albs of Preshevo valley, which is in southern Serbia, next to Kosovo, would start pushing for the same; along with Albs of north-western Macedonia. So far those ethnicities have kept quiet. Albs of Preshevo use the Albanian flag and the Serbian flag, same with FYROM Albs...

No, actually, it's sort-of more in Serbia for years by now. It's separate from the rest of Kosovo. Remember that this independence of Kosovo bases itself on accepting the reality and that's why I think Serbia should accept the reality and recognize Kosovo as well as the Kosovar Albanians accept the reality and forget about the northern tenth of Kosovo. It's even not a historical part of Kosovo (not only geographical, but even political).