Kosovo

Originally posted by es_bih ps. Liverpool - AC Milan 0-0 still

you mean Inter?

Liverpool 1-0 Inter


Edited by Illirac - 19-Feb-2008 at 21:26

liverpool - inter

2 - 0 with a few minutes left

two good goals

 Surely Albanians suffered, but they are not victims either. The victim mentality is a stereotype very well known in the history of Balkan, and global, ethnic propagandas. I know the history of Yugoslavia pretty well to understand that it's dissolve was primarily caused by Serbian implacability and violent action, which emerged by the demise of it's economy and the death of it's patron Tito, who ,accidentally, was also responsible for the emergence of Serbian nationalism, due to his anti-Serbian policies. But it is not like Albanians or the others are angels. Everybody is responsible for the situation. Look at Croatians and how they try to create new vocabulary so they can differentiate from Serbian language, it's identical twin. Look at Albanians in FYROM and their armed attack vs a sovereign State and goverment. Look at Bosnia-Herzegovina, with it's 3 (!) Presidents and Republics. Everybody are responsible for not being able to communicate with each other.


And you know what? All these happen while the Balkans receive non-Balkan immigrants from the entire world. Chinese in Albania, Japanese and Europeans in Bulgaria, Africans, Western and Eastern Europeans, Balkanians and Asians in Hellas/Greece. New problems arise and most of the Balkans have not even solve the old ones. At least, not all the Balkans. Look at us and Bulgaria. For decades Bulgaria was our main national enemy in the North. Now it is a member of the EU, Bulgarians and Hellens/Greeks use only their IDs to pass the border, there are Hellenic/Greek businesses in Bulgaria. There are Bulgarians living permanently in Greece. There is a communication which becomes stronger. Look at us and Turkey. We needed a damn earthquake to come to some communication!!! Literally!But it had a positive effect. Not that people suddenly changed and we are brothers in arms. No. But there is an established communication between the citizens of the different countries, without  the "fixers", the authorities. I can travel to Istanbul/Constantinople and speak Greek without any fear. On the other hand , Turks walk freely in the streets of Thessaloniki, as well as Africans and Balkanians.

Thinks are not a paradise, we are still having problems. But we are not stacked in policies of the past. The base is not the same, it cannot be in our globalized world.


Edited by Spartakus - 19-Feb-2008 at 21:36

Originally posted by es_bih Originally posted by Theodore Felix ^^^ Would it be possible for us to stick to the topic? Thought some light hearted comments on a game would lighten the mood. Not to mention there are more than one topic being discussed as it is...

Second!

Originally posted by Theodore Felix Yes there is. In fact, Serbian popular culture, folklore and cuisine is very close to Greek and Albanian, rather than to Russian, Polish or Czech. The existence of Balkan language union is a fact (Balkan languages including Sebian are build on the same fundamental base which is pre Slavic indegenous Thracian-Illiryc-Greek dialects). If we are going to base this on such redundant arguments, it may well be worth saying that the most accepted theory on the formation of the Albanian ethnicity is that it formed largely around what is today considered to be Kosovo and southern Serbia and moved into the mountains of Albania around the 6th century... But anyway, this has nothing to do with the modern argument.

I just did. And I have to say...I disagree

Nice to see that no one quotes me. It makes me feel very good to know that nobody pays attention to what i say!

I have this very feeling very often....

Originally posted by Leonidas cool. now the precedent has been made, i think the Abkaz, Basque, treinster, etc , every other group can split from any nation regardless of due process and legalities. all you need is to be sponsored by a big power or even better a group of them. The independence outcome is fine with me personally, im still very unimpressed on how this happened. This I think is going to cause longer term problems

Edited by Cryptic - 19-Feb-2008 at 22:56

Originally posted by Cryptic Originally posted by Leonidas cool. now the precedent has been made, i think the Abkaz, Basque, treinster, etc , every other group can split from any nation regardless of due process and legalities. all you need is to be sponsored by a big power or even better a group of them. The independence outcome is fine with me personally, im still very unimpressed on how this happened. This I think is going to cause longer term problems   Well said.  I wonder how France would react if Russia, Serbia and China recognized Corsica.  Don't we all know that Scotand is "destined" for independence as well?