Kosovo

Territory is very important to human beings, you lose it and you might lose your ability to survive. This is the most important thing that gets lost in terms such as nationalism, race, ethnicity etc. Regardless though I believe that that day when people realize there is no truth is closer than ever. Question is - What will people do when they realize it?

Originally posted by Chilbudios The fact is that the two communities live practically in apartheid. So what will happen to the Serbians from Kosovo? Shall Kosovo be separated in smaller countries, one for each "pure" ethnic region?

Instead of news about violences, news about cooperation between Serbs and Albanians.

Because there is practically no cooperation between Serbs and Albanians; and so any news that emphasized that would be presenting a distorted reality. The fact is that the two communities live practically in apartheid.

Originally posted by Theodore Felix That would not have worked as it sided with the backbone of the Serbian request, which was "more than autonomy less than independence" (as one Serb politician stated), in contrast to the backbone of the Albanian request which was independence with specific limitations. In the end, the two sided could not meet an an agreement because of the fact that their primary goals were on completely differing sides. Meaning that in order for one person to get his way, one side had to lose. In this case it was Serbia.

Originally posted by Theodore Felix Serbia's pro-Western liberals threatened By JOVANA GEC, Associated Press Writer Wed Feb 27, 1:44 PM ET BELGRADE, Serbia - It's dangerous to be a liberal in Serbia, once again. Just as they thought the hostilities of Slobodan Milosevic's era had been relegated to history, Serbia's pro-Western forces are facing a backlash of nationalist anger over Kosovo's independence declaration. Prominent human rights activists and liberal politicians have received death threats and their offices have been ransacked. The independent B92 television station is receiving hate mail. "It is all part of a totally changed political climate in Serbia," said Natasa Kandic, Serbia's leading human rights activist, who has herself been publicly branded a "traitor" by the nationalist media and politicians. "These events are very worrisome and alarming," Kandic said. "It is hard to predict where Serbia is heading." Riding on the tide of frustration fueled by the cherished province's secession from Serbia, the Balkan nation has turned its back on the pro-Western policies launched after Milosevic's 2000 ouster. The situation has deteriorated rapidly since Kosovo's ethnic Albanian leadership issued its declaration Feb. 17 � a move followed by swift recognition by the United States and its Western allies. Serbia and Kosovo's Serb minority have refused to accept the independence of Kosovo, which Serbs consider the cradle of Serbia's history and culture. The events unleashed a wave of officially sponsored anti-Western fury that culminated with last week's mob attacks on the U.S. and other foreign embassies and the looting of Western-owned banks and shops. The nationalists also vented their anger at those they consider local traitors: the pro-Western Liberal Democratic Party, Kandic and her Humanitarian Law Center, and the B92 station. Cedomir Jovanovic, the Liberal Party leader and the main critic of government policies on Kosovo, received death threats as rioters tried to attack his home in downtown Belgrade. Several party offices throughout Serbia were ransacked. Kandic said mobs attempted to set fire to her office in central Belgrade, and she received death threats. On Monday, B92 TV said its journalists had received large quantities of hate mail threatening a "bullet to the head" for some journalists. The station demanded the government take action against those making the threats. "Obviously ... someone wants to impose censorship on the station," said its lawyer, Slobodan Kremenjak. In 2003, reformist Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic was gunned down by Milosevic's paramilitaries and mobsters in front of government headquarters. His killing has come to symbolize the dangers that liberals face in a country crippled economically and scarred emotionally by the 1990s wars that accompanied the splintering of Serb-dominated Yugoslavia. Djindjic's followers fear the new attacks on government critics are designed to silence any dissent and completely sideline pro-Western groups and politicians. Those include President Boris Tadic, who earlier this month won re-election by promising to take Serbia toward European Union membership, but whose triumph has been overshadowed by the Kosovo events. Meanwhile, nationalist Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica has seized the initiative by stoking anger over Kosovo. "This is a dangerous and complex time for Serbian moderates still wanting a European future," William Montgomery, a former U.S. ambassador, wrote in the newspaper Danas. Yahoo News

It sucks that the radical party might win the next election because of this Kosovo decision now and who knows what the consequences might be.

Originally posted by Temujin  i just dispute your nationalist theories about peoples being racially pure since antiquity and never changing thereafter. this is no new idea, we had guys like this here before which all used the same arguments of genetic testing blabla.

Originally posted by Anton   This is amazing! One of you, dudes, didn't present any historical, archeological or any other sort of arguments supporting your idea of extermination of locals by slavs, only his contribution was just spaming and making ridiculously stupid remarcs about "Nazi" genetics and archeology, another one made a silly attempt to do so claiming Nestor to live in 7th century and making wrong interpretation of only part of the sources and after all that we are those who have menthal disorder???   Disaster!

just for the record...i did provide two primary sources which were dismissed for reasons i can't follow (you never explained the existence of White Croats and White Serbs in Poland/Moravia) but instead presented theories presented by a few "experts" that are at odds with the common scholarly opinion, (<- you yourself said that it was just theories) which you thought should be held as ultimate truth, apparently. it was also said, that Latin was not spoken in Germany (and couple of others) which is obviously false, Latin was the official language of the Holy Roman Empire all along. on the same note, French which was lingua franca of the renaissance and industrial age never really made it to the rest of the population. in both cases it was only spoken by the famous "elites". this pretty much dissillusions our nice "Slavic lingua franca theory"....

Originally posted by Anton It stopped when you thoughtfully mentioned that theses of your opponents are total rubish

No I didn't. Be more carefull.
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Serbia's pro-Western liberals threatened

By JOVANA GEC, Associated Press Writer Wed Feb 27, 1:44 PM ET

BELGRADE, Serbia - It's dangerous to be a liberal in Serbia, once again.

Just as they thought the hostilities of Slobodan Milosevic's era had been relegated to history, Serbia's pro-Western forces are facing a backlash of nationalist anger over Kosovo's independence declaration.

Prominent human rights activists and liberal politicians have received death threats and their offices have been ransacked. The independent B92 television station is receiving hate mail.

"It is all part of a totally changed political climate in Serbia," said Natasa Kandic, Serbia's leading human rights activist, who has herself been publicly branded a "traitor" by the nationalist media and politicians.

"These events are very worrisome and alarming," Kandic said. "It is hard to predict where Serbia is heading."

Riding on the tide of frustration fueled by the cherished province's secession from Serbia, the Balkan nation has turned its back on the pro-Western policies launched after Milosevic's 2000 ouster.

The situation has deteriorated rapidly since Kosovo's ethnic Albanian leadership issued its declaration Feb. 17 � a move followed by swift recognition by the United States and its Western allies.

Serbia and Kosovo's Serb minority have refused to accept the independence of Kosovo, which Serbs consider the cradle of Serbia's history and culture.

The events unleashed a wave of officially sponsored anti-Western fury that culminated with last week's mob attacks on the U.S. and other foreign embassies and the looting of Western-owned banks and shops.

The nationalists also vented their anger at those they consider local traitors: the pro-Western Liberal Democratic Party, Kandic and her Humanitarian Law Center, and the B92 station.

Cedomir Jovanovic, the Liberal Party leader and the main critic of government policies on Kosovo, received death threats as rioters tried to attack his home in downtown Belgrade. Several party offices throughout Serbia were ransacked.

Kandic said mobs attempted to set fire to her office in central Belgrade, and she received death threats.

On Monday, B92 TV said its journalists had received large quantities of hate mail threatening a "bullet to the head" for some journalists. The station demanded the government take action against those making the threats.

"Obviously ... someone wants to impose censorship on the station," said its lawyer, Slobodan Kremenjak.

In 2003, reformist Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic was gunned down by Milosevic's paramilitaries and mobsters in front of government headquarters. His killing has come to symbolize the dangers that liberals face in a country crippled economically and scarred emotionally by the 1990s wars that accompanied the splintering of Serb-dominated Yugoslavia.

Djindjic's followers fear the new attacks on government critics are designed to silence any dissent and completely sideline pro-Western groups and politicians.

Those include President Boris Tadic, who earlier this month won re-election by promising to take Serbia toward European Union membership, but whose triumph has been overshadowed by the Kosovo events.

Meanwhile, nationalist Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica has seized the initiative by stoking anger over Kosovo.



"This is a dangerous and complex time for Serbian moderates still wanting a European future," William Montgomery, a former U.S. ambassador, wrote in the newspaper Danas.

Yahoo News

Edited by Theodore Felix - 28-Feb-2008 at 19:00

Originally posted by Illirac As for the Romance languages - they are similar to Latin yes, but a French will not understand an Italian, a Serbian will understand a Slovakian (yes of course less he will understand a polish - only because they were germanized)