Kosovo

Originally posted by Theodore Felix And they all eat burek, drink rakija,

Well, I as well eat burek and drink rakija.

Even if there will be a union of Greater Albania, I do not think it will last long. The same happened with other unions and ended catastrophically.

A very interesting blog from a western observer:

Some thoughts on Greater Albania, Part 1
by Douglas Muir

Okay, first thought: there is not going to be a �Greater Albania� in the political sense.

The Albanians of Albania, Kosovo, and Macedonia are evolving away from political union, not towards it. Kosovo�s new Constitution has �no union with any other state� as Article One, and that�s not just wallpaper for the internationals; the Kosovar Albanians, having finally gained their independence, have no interest in being ruled from distant Tirana. Meanwhile the Albanians of Albania are discovering the Kosovars are� well� poor. They�re happy to greet them as cousins, but aren�t interested in adding a large, poor, backwards and densely populated northern province. Macedonia is the only place you can still find enthusiasm for �Greater Albania� , and even there it�s increasingly marginal � the two large Albanian parties both are seeking their advantage within Macedonia, not outside it.

So why the post? Well, because even though there won�t be a �Greater Albania�, the Balkans are seeing a completely new phenomenon: the emergence of Albanians as an important political force.

Twenty years ago, Albania was a Communist hermit kingdom. The large Albanian minority in Yugoslavia was part of Yugoslav politics � dominant in Kosovo, negligible elsewhere. Albanians were not a significant political, social or economic force anywhere outside of Kosovo and Albania itself.

Today, Albanians have two countries of their own and a big chunk of a third. They�re a key minority in Montenegro. And in Greece, they�re set to be a huge minority in a country that doesn�t deal well with minorities. So the 21st century history of the Balkans is going to be, to a great extent, the history of the Albanian Question.

I think this will be a two-post series. In the second post, I�ll look at individual countries. In this one, I want to look at just one question: why do the Albanians suddenly matter?
There are two answers to this.

1) The fall of Communism. It�s a gross oversimplification to say that Communism �froze history�. But there�s a grain of truth to it. And in the case of Albanians, it�s particularly relevant. The Albanian Question first emerged in the wake of the Balkan Wars of 1912-13, when Europe suddenly realized that the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in Europe had left behind a large, distinct ethnic group without a country of its own. Albania was cobbled together quickly (in large part to deny Serbia access to the sea,), but its boundaries bore little relation to where Albanians actually lived.

In the interwar period, the Albanian kingdom fell more and more under the dominance of Mussolini�s Italy, until the Duce outright colonized it on the eve of WWII. Greece and Yugoslavia, meanwhile, �solved� the problem of their Albanian minorities by a combination of treating them badly and ignoring them. Unsurprisingly, in WWII these minorities tended to favor the Axis; and unsurprisingly, at the end of WWII they suffered accordingly, especially in Greece, where the Greeks seized the opportunity to ethnically cleanse their �Cham� Albanian minority out of existence.

Still a broad belt of Albanian settlement remained, stretching across the penninsula through Kosovo to Macedonia. Most of it was now in Communist Yugoslavia, which solved the ethnic problem about as well as Communist Yugoslavia solved any of its other ethnic problems. So when Communism collapsed and Yugoslavia disintegrated, there the Albanians still were.

That�s half the answer. The other half is,

2) Albanians have kids.

Lots of them.

Oh, they�re slowing down. A generation back, the typical Albanian family had six or eight kids. Today they�re down to two or three, and falling. Basically they�re following the same track as their Balkan neighbors, just a generation or two behind.

But that generation makes a huge difference. Here�s a list of TFRs (Total Fertility Rate, expected number of children per woman) for the Albanians and their neighbors:

Albania � 2.37
Montenegro � 1.83
Serbia � 1.75
Macedonia � 1.56
Greece � 1.56
Bulgaria � 1.39

The difference is actually bigger than these numbers suggest, because of the phenomenon of �demographic inertia�: Albanian communities have younger populations, with more young women in their peak child-bearing years.

So, while all of Albania�s neighbors have aging and declining populations, the number of Albanians continues to grow. The growth is slowing, and will probably flatten out to zero in another fifteen or twenty years. But in the meantime, the relative number of Albanians will continue to grow.

(Let me pre-empt a stupid comment here. No, it�s not because the Albanians are The Muslim Menace, determined to overwhelm decadent Europe with their savage fertility. About a quarter of Albanians are Christians, and the three-quarters that are nominally Muslim are notoriously irreligious. Their fertility rates are high because they�re poor and socially conservative. Note that they were even higher back in the days when Albania was the world�s only official atheist state, with religious practice strictly forbidden.)

The impact of Albanian growth was most obvious in Kosovo, where Albanians went from about 68% to 82% in two generations � partly because of differential emigration, but mostly because of all those children. It�s also a factor in Macedonia, where the Albanian minority has grown from just under a quarter of the population back at the time of independence to more like 30% today. But 20 years from now, it�s going to be a particular concern in a country that�s currently not much worried about it: Greece.

But that�s a story for another post. Meanwhile, key point: while the Albanian communities of the Balkans are not interested in political union, they are intensely interested in each other. �Greater Albania�, as I�ve said, is a silly idea; these days it�s mostly a scare image, a bogeyman for Serbian and Greek nationalists. But there is what we might call an Albanosphere.

Albanians travel freely across the various borders; they listen to the same music, read the same articles republished in various newspapers and magazines, and are quick to each others� defense. Albanians in Albania follow Macedonian politics with interest, arguing over which party better represents ethnic Albanian interests there, while Albanians in Montenegro can speak for hours on the difference between (current Albanian PM) Sali Berisha and (former Albanian PM) Fatos Nano. Albanians in Kosovo � I can say from firsthand experience � have an intimate knowledge of slurs and bad treatment directed at Albanians in Greece. Albanians everywhere vote for the Albanian Eurovision entry, cheer the Albanian football team, and stayed out all night celebrating the independence of Kosovo. And they all eat burek, drink rakija, and can bore you senseless with stories about Skanderbeg.

The Albanosphere: it�s here, and the rest of us will have to get used to it. Because it�s going to shape Balkan politics and society for a long, long time to come.

http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/minorities-and-integration/some-thoughts-on-greater-albania-part-1

Edited by Theodore Felix - 09-Apr-2008 at 04:46

Albanians return to Macedonian government. Compromise reached, they gave up on the request for the (Former Yugoslav) Republic of Macedonia to recognize independence of Kosovo; all the others will be fulfilled. 

Originally posted by Anton That is sad indeed. nothing came from Bulgaria at all BTW many Bulgarian intellectuals were shaprly against this recognition. The wrote very strong letter to the authorities.

Well yeah, polling says the vast majority of Bulgarians oppose independence of Kosovo - but that still doesn't change the politicians. For instance, in a poll conducted by the Slovenian government, over 70% of Slovenes oppose independence of Kosovo. Does/did that affect the government's policy as the most fearsome endorser of Kosovo independence amongst the Slavic nations? No. The Poles also have a tight majority against recognition of Kosovo, making Croatia the sole Slavic nation in which majority is in favor of recognition of independence.


Edited by Yugoslav - 22-Mar-2008 at 13:44

Originally posted by xristar Bulgaria recognized Kossovo

Bulgaria really has no interest in Serbia. It originally (long time ago) opposed it for Slavic solidarity, but in generally it doesn't care, and independence of Kosovo is in its interests for exporting energy.

For instance, the Hungarian and Croatian Foreign Ministers came to Belgrade and apologized in the name of their country, expressed that the decision was not really easy and that they personally oppose it. Despite a "common action", nothing came from Bulgaria at all.

"despite strong opposition from Serbia and Russia."

The DS & G17+ pro-Western liberal-social-democratic parties have majority in the government, and they now use it to outnumber the Prime Minister's minority.

On Thursday the parliament shall declare about the SRS' resolution on the EU (integration into the EU must be stopped the moment it pre-requisites recognition of Kosovo for admission and relations strained if UNSCR 1244 and Kosovo don't continue to be referred to in treaties with the European Union).

Quit triping the wires guys, I can't hear what people say.

Originally posted by Anton   after your crappy participation in this topic I can only recomend you to learn yourself. Any knowledge, my friend, needs to be deserved

since you fail to teach me anything about genetics i take it granted you have absolutely no idea about genetics at all unless you proove the opposite

plaese open another topic both for our interest and this thread