Mughal and Safavid Empires

Founder of Mughal Empire, Babur, is kissing the hand of founder of Safavid Empire, Shah Ismail

It seems Safavids always wanted to point this event out to Mughals!

I found this Safavid minature on cover of an Iranian magazine, it has many things to say, I think it shows when Sheibani Khan defeated Babur and captured Samarkand for the Uzbeks, it was the time that Babur has lost everything but in 1510 Shah Ismail attacks Samrkand and kills Babur's Uzbek foe, Sheibani Khan. Shah Ismail recognises Babur's desire to control Samarkand, the ancestral Timurid capital, and thus offeres Babur the chance to claim the city, on the condition he enters it wearing traditional Shiite dress, as a token of the shah's true rule over the city. Babur agrees to the terms, despite being a Sunni Muslim himself, and enteres Samarkand early in 1511.

Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri

Babur wanted to be the ruler of Samarkand. Isma�l killed Sheibani but the Uzbeks were not finished. They still had an powerful army (about 150 000 men) and had reconquested the Transoxiane. Isma�l was gone to the west against the Ottomans, but everybody knew he would come back and he looked invincible (and he was the master of 3 millions square kilometers). So, the Babur's tactic was to become chiite in order to have the protection of Isma�l. Then, Babur took Samarkand. But not for long time because the Samarkandis had understood that he was under Isma�l's protection. After that, Uzbeks devastated an Safavid army in 1512, and in 1514 Isma�l was defeated by the Ottomans.

Edited by Noacyl

sorry... Safavid

Originally posted by oTToMAn_TurK Founder of Mughal Empire, Babur, is kissing the hand of founder of Safavid Empire, Shah Ismail Why dont u talk about what Yavuz Sultan Selim did to Shah Ismail?

what did he do? i realy don't know it

well what i herd from my turkish history teacher was that when the ottoman and safavid forces met, the ottomans pushed them so far in that they reached the palace of Shah Ismail. from there yavuz sultan selim as to teach him a lesson not to act cocky to the ottomans, got his seat (taht) and brought it to istanbul to embarress him.

he killed most of the Sfavid army, massacred 150.000 Turkmens in Anatolia. He also hanged the Turkish Mameluk sultan, Tumanbay, after he captured Egypt and the caliphate.

its a war what u expect and those turkmens sided with the safavids didnt they? im not that sure but i know for a fact that yavuz sultan selim was one of the most religuis padisah's the ottomans ever saw.

Battle of Chaldiran was really a disaster for Iran, Iranians were fighting with sword and bow and arrows, but Ottoman�s had Cannons and guns. So Ottomans scared Iranians and defeated them in a totaly unequal battle!

Yavuz fought mainly with muslims, So how can he be most religious one?

he fought with muslims but that was neccasary to prevent another muslim empire to over run them from behind while there campaign in europe. if sultan selim didnt overrun the mamlukes and teach the persians a lesson then it was more then likely that one of these empires would plot to destroy the ottomans. remember tamerlane? it was just a matter of time that another muslim empire would rise and belive they shud control the whole muslim world. besides it was much more suitable that a strong muslim empire like the ottomans to control the holy lands.

i think i did exagerate when i sed he was the most religuios, i ment in the sence that he was the first ottoman caliph.

Edited by oTToMAn_TurK

Babur is coming from the descent of Tamerlane actually. So,he has Turkic origins either.

and teach the persians a lesson

Which Persians? How do you define Persian? Yavuz was sending his letters and had a divan in Persian, and Shah Ismail was sending his letters and had a divan in Turkish. So, which one is Persian, or which one is more Turkish?

Lets say Sunnis instead of Ottomans and Shias instead of Safavids...

Zahiruddin Muhammad Babur, popularly known as "Babur", meaning lion, was the founder of Mughal Empire in India. He was born in Farghana, now in Uzbekistan, on February 14, 1483. The Mughal Empire founded by him lasted for 331 years.

Babur was a descendant of Timur on his father's side and of Chengez Khan on his mother's side. When Babur's father Umar Sheikh Mirza died in 1494, he inherited the ancestral kingdom of Farghana. He was only 14 years old at that time. Babur faced many hardships during this period of his life. He was driven out of his father's state and for two years became a wanderer. In 1504, he came to Afghanistan and occupied Kabul. Here he assumed the title of Padshah.

 

    Zahiruddin Muhammad Babur

 

 

    Babur( persian miniature 16th cent.)

 

http://www.storyofpakistan.com/person.asp?perid=P053

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/MUGHAL/BABUR.HTM