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    Posted: 31-Dec-2007 at 13:48
A bill by Chile's Socialist Party has recognised the mass slaughter and extermination of two groups of Indians by Chileans just over a century ago is genocide. The government had done much to hide the extermination from the people suppressing its teaching in Chilean schools.

Even by Americas standard, Chile has an especially poor record of genocide when it come to Indians. Continuing its genocidel policies and land seizures into the mid-twentieth century.

I wonder why Chile was so bad to Indians compared to other north and south American countries. Is it because historically they had such a small population of Indians compared to other countires in the Americas.
 
 
 
 
 
SLAUGHTER OF CHILES INDIGENOUS PEOPLES WAS GENOCIDE, SAY LEGISLATORS

(Aug. 27, 2007) Legislation proposed last week by the Senates Education Committee proposed official recognition of the extermination of the Selk'nam and Aonikenk nomadic hunting cultures which thrived in Chiles southern Patagonia area before contact with Europeans as genocide. The bill, proposed by Socialist Party Senators Pedro Munoz and Ricardo Nunez, would also construct monuments to the slaughter of Chile's indigenous populations in Santiago and the southern city of Porvenir.

Munoz, the senator for the Magellanes area that was home to the Aonikenk, said the legislative proposal is based on findings reported in 2003 by former President Lagos' Commission for Truth in History and New Native Treatment. This group concluded that the decimation of these native populations should be considered genocide.

Munoz said the purpose of the legislation is to establish the existence of these cultures in Chile's history, as they are often left out of school books.

There is a deep ignorance about these ethnic groups (...) they are not emphasized at all in the schools. The reason for this bill is to recognize these cultures as part of our history, so that future generations will know they existed and what happened to them, said Munoz.

The Selk'nam, also known as the Onas, arrived on Tierra del Fuego about 7,000 years ago. They were a hunter-gatherer society, depending on guanaco for food. In the mid-nineteenth century, newly-arrived European settlers established sheep ranches nearby. The Selk'nam hunted on these ranches, oblivious to the idea of private property. Ranchers then organized armed groups to attack the native populations, famously establishing a bounty for each Selk'nam ear returned to them.

The Selk'nam were seen as a problem for the ranches in the area, which is why they were victims of an extermination, said Munoz.

To stop the slaughter, governing officials attempted to move the Selk'nam to a reservation run by Italian missionaries on Dawson Island in 1890. Still, most Selk'nam eventually fell victim to foreign diseases brought by the Europeans.

For their part, the Aonikenk initially interacted peacefully with early colonizers, often exchanging the fruits of their hunts for European goods. However, they, too, were eventually stricken by violence and illness.

Official recognition of the decimation of these populations and the construction of memorials may be the only means of reparation available. The last full-blooded Selk'nam died in Chile in 1974, while the remaining Aonikenk population almost entirely fled to Argentina by 1905.
 
 


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Who said that's a secret?

We know pretty well about the extermination of the Onas, done by Northern European settlers with the complicity, and lack of control, of the Chilean Government.
 
Here you have that bastard Romanian called Julius Popper, killing Onas. He was stabbed and killed by its own people, thanks God.
 
 
 
Remember we have fought against Nazis and Fascists for a long time in my country, even before those terms were invented.

No secret at all, at least in this part of the world. There is not an approval either. Even more, the criminal is shown in Mario Toral's huge painting "Visual memory of a nation", in subway station "University of Chile" in Santiago. In there is shown like he was: a criminal.

But a thing is wrong. This isn't a secret at all. 
 


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A biography in English from Wiki about that Romanian, Popper:
 

Julius Popper

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Julius Popper.

Julius Popper (December 15, 1857 - June 5, 1893) was an engineer, adventurer and explorer of Romanian Jewish origin. He is responsible for the modern outline of the city of Havana, Cuba. As a "conquistador" of Tierra del Fuego in southern South America he was a controversial but influential figure.

Popper was born in Bucharest, son of professor Neftali Popper, a prosperous antiques merchant. He studied in Paris before arriving to Argentina on 1885 hoping to find gold. In 7 Sep. 1886, together with eighteen people, he as captain, chief engineer, mineralogist, journalist and photographer, they started the "Popper Expedition" and found gold dust on the beach of El Pramo, a Patagonian peninsula. Expedition was rigourosly and stricly enforced after military standards with heavily armed men with Popper in direct command of everything. He succeeded in unearthing great amounts of gold and his Compania de Lavaderos de Oro del Sud realized enormous capital gains at the Argentine stock exchange.

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5 grams gold coin.
1891 stamp by Popper

In Patagonia, Popper gained dominance with a private army and he issued his own coins and stamps to symbolize his power. When the Argentine peso lost its value in the market crash of 1890, even there his gold coins were regarded as currency.

Popper vigorously fought against his enemies; gold diggers and thieves were castigated after arbitrary law, and he fought the Ona aboriginals, and is even said he engaged his troops in hunting them.

Opposing Argentine Governors were eliminated by intrigues and through the media. Therefore, he was granted more and more land by the government. Popper even prepared an expedition to enforce the Argentine claim for parts of Antarctica.

After his sudden death at the age of 35 his empire collapsed. Popper died in Buenos Aires, the cause of death remains unclear, but sources reveal being assassinated in his hotel room by a stranger.



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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Dec-2007 at 14:38
It's interesting reading about the genocide.
 
The Chilean settlers put a bounty on the The Selk'nam's heads. They paid a bonus if it was a pregnant women. It's a rare example of a primitve people being headhunted by a developed one, they also laced sheep carcasses with poison and injected Children, unpalateable even by the worst standards of anything that happened in the US west.
 
There were some horrified European visitors who tried to stop this, by offereing the Chilean settlers 5 times they amount of money for Selk'nam alive than they'de be paid for their heads. The Selk'nam were then rehoused and cared for.
 
 


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There are still 450 Onas living in the Argentinean part of Tierra del Fuego, in the town called "Rafaela Ishton". Curiously, many of the mixed descendents of that people carry today British last names. Originally the Ona people were less than 4.000 people. That's to put the events in perspective.
 
 
 
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What is true, though is that even with the killings, mixings and emigrations, the Ona people is not extinct in Argentina. Only in Chile.
 
Enriqueta Gastelumendi, Ona descendent
 
 
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Originally posted by Paul

It's interesting reading about the genocide.
 
The Chilean settlers put a bounty on the The Selk'nam's heads. They paid a bonus if it was a pregnant women. It's a rare example of a primitve people being headhunted by a developed one, they also laced sheep carcasses with poison and injected Children, unpalateable even by the worst standards of anything that happened in the US west.
 
There were some horrified European visitors who tried to stop this, by offereing the Chilean settlers 5 times they amount of money for Selk'nam alive than they'de be paid for their heads. The Selk'nam were then rehoused and cared for.
 
 
 
More tragical about that is that the settlers of the Land of Fire were mainly Europeans and Chilotes. Those lands were also a common place were low class rascal Europeans, between sailors, fishermen and whalers made a quite brutish fauna. Even more Chilotes are mixed descendents of Spanish and Amerindians that come from Chiloe island!  All of this was monitored with remote control by the central government and did nothing to stop it.
 
Most Chileans weren't even aware of what was going on there before it was too late.
 
In short, no doubt that Hitler would had enjoyed this event, too Wink
 
 


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This got penguin suspended? ludicruous i say

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  Quote anum Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jan-2008 at 05:04
These events are so sad, it is unfortunate we never learn about them in school. They're indeed some dark secrets hidden from the public.
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Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

This got penguin suspended? ludicruous i say

No, the "why Hitler loved the United States" got him suspended (together with his history)
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  Quote beorna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jan-2008 at 14:44
Originally posted by Paul

It's interesting reading about the genocide.
 
The Chilean settlers put a bounty on the The Selk'nam's heads. They paid a bonus if it was a pregnant women. It's a rare example of a primitve people being headhunted by a developed one, they also laced sheep carcasses with poison and injected Children, unpalateable even by the worst standards of anything that happened in the US west.
 
There were some horrified European visitors who tried to stop this, by offereing the Chilean settlers 5 times they amount of money for Selk'nam alive than they'de be paid for their heads. The Selk'nam were then rehoused and cared for.
 
There was another example for headhunting in the U.S. for Apaches. Unfortunately you cannot see if a skalp is Apachian, Navaho, Pima or even Mexican. So that practice seems to be common in the New world.
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Originally posted by Paul

It's interesting reading about the genocide.
 
The Chilean settlers put a bounty on the The Selk'nam's heads. They paid a bonus if it was a pregnant women. It's a rare example of a primitve people being headhunted by a developed one, they also laced sheep carcasses with poison and injected Children, unpalateable even by the worst standards of anything that happened in the US west.
 
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By the way, there were not heads what they hunted but ears and testicles. Sometimes they cut the ears of natives without killing them.
What do you expect from a adventurer like Julious Popper who was romanian, probably descendent of Dracula itself Wink.
 
 
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What do you expect from a adventurer like Julious Popper who was romanian, probably descendent of Dracula itself Wink.
 
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Originally posted by beorna

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There was another example for headhunting in the U.S. for Apaches. Unfortunately you cannot see if a skalp is Apachian, Navaho, Pima or even Mexican. So that practice seems to be common in the New world.
 
headhunting wasn't common in the Americas at all. Skalp is not headhunting, by the way.
The only people that practised headhunting in the Americas were the Jibaroes, which could convert your head in a souvenir LOL.
 
By the way, Jibaroes were so fierce that no European or Amerindian attempted to dominated them. They are now peaceful fellows that shrink animals heads once in a while for tourists.
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Originally posted by anum

These events are so sad, it is unfortunate we never learn about them in school. They're indeed some dark secrets hidden from the public.
 
 
Anything of any historical value is strictly out of bounds for the Pakistan studies books. All you hear about there is, oh how great were the muslims, oh how great was the muslim civilization, oh how great was Mahmood of Ghaznavi, Oh how great were the Mughals, oh how evil were the Hindus for (god forbid) for trying to take control of their own lands and so on and on. 
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