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    Posted: 19-Dec-2010 at 23:23
^ there is huge hatred, espeically among the nationlistic sector. Muslims have become the poorest people in india, they are discriminated on every level. I heard south india, where you are from, things are better, but i am talking about north, which is where much of these nationalistic people live

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Your information is wrong.But i dont think that I can convince you against your beliefs through one or two posts in this forum.
The poorest of all indian states are Orissa,Jharkhand,Bihar,Madhyapradesh,Chattisgadh and West Bengal.Out of these only Bihar and Bengal has remarkable muslim population.And poorest of all indians are the large tribal population of the North Eastern states.Muslims of India are there in almost all levels of society.Muslims in India enjoy all constitutional rights that Hindus,christians, Sikhs and others enjoy.
Ya your concept about south indian muslims are true.Majority of South Indians including muslims are educated and are in well to do condition.
There are several muslim leaders in the most nationalistic party of India ie the BJP, like Muktar Abbas Naqvi & Shanavas Hussain.There are several muslim beauroctats in Indian civil service.And APJ Abdul Kalam a south indian muslim had even became the president of India.
In India the terms "nationalism/secularism/communalism" etc are part of its politics and it has much less to do with peoples day to day life.
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Panchtantra - a collection of Indian classic fables is among the best known stories in the world. Along with the Bible it was one of the first book printed in the guttenberg press of Germany.
 
Some quotes on the book.
 
 
To quote Edgerton (1924)
...there are recorded over two hundred different versions known to exist in more than fifty languages, and three-fourths of these languages are extra-Indian. As early as the eleventh century this work reached Europe, and before 1600 it existed in Greek, Latin, Spanish, Italian, German, English, Old Slavonic, Czech, and perhaps other Slavonic languages. Its range has extended from Java to Iceland... [In India,] it has been worked over and over again, expanded, abstracted, turned into verse, retold in prose, translated into medieval and modern vernaculars, and retranslated into Sanskrit. And most of the stories contained in it have "gone down" into the folklore of the story-loving Hindus, whence they reappear in the collections of oral tales gathered by modern students of folk-stories.
 
 

The novelist Doris Lessing notes in her introduction to Ramsay Wood's 1980 "retelling" of the first two of the five Panchatantra books, that

"... it is safe to say that most people in the West these days will not have heard of it, while they will certainly at the very least have heard of the Upanishads and the Vedas. Until comparatively recently, it was the other way around. Anyone with any claim to a literary education knew that the Fables of Bidpai or the Tales of Kalila and Dimna — these being the most commonly used titles with us — was a great Eastern classic. There were at least twenty English translations in the hundred years before 1888. Pondering on these facts leads to reflection on the fate of books, as chancy and unpredictable as that of people or nations."

Apart from that there are many other points and facts to disapprove the OP but I think this alone is sufficient example.



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^ thats funny, yet they hate muslims and always ignore the muslim contribution in india
 
in case you aren't aware, just few years ago a Muslim was elected as president of India by the same Hindu nationalists. He was among the most popular president the India ever had. Apart from that there are many Muslims who are at impotanat post both in millitary and in goverment. not to mention the many muslim celebrities like cricketers and film stars
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Urdu is much stronger language then Hindi, Urdus combination of arabic, farsi and hindi really created an amazing language with huge amounts of poetry and litrature, the modern so called hindi songs are 90% urdu, yet the credit is always given to hindi, it is unfortunate today the urdu language is systmatically being destroyed by hindu nationalistics in India

 
An ordinary person who doesn't know either Hindi or Urdu can not differantiate between the two languages at all. They are almost same. What Hindu nationalists are doing is that they are replacing the farsi and arabic words of Hindi with the Sankritized words, just like the people in Pakistan have replaced the sanskritized words with farsi and arabic words.
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India has a vast range of literature, from the Vedas on. 

Even if you don't recognize the value of the literature itself, it's impossible to deny its impact on world literature. Stories from the Panchatantra, which someone mentioned above, appear in Western works from Aesop to the Decameron.  Sanskrit plays, particularly Kalidasa's Sakuntala, influenced the Romantic poets. The American Transcendentalists were big fans of Hindu literature.

Good places to start are Michael Coulson's translations of Sanskrit plays and Edward Dimock's translations of Bengali poetry. 


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Even if you don't recognize the value of the literature itself, it's impossible to deny its impact on world literature. Stories from the Panchatantra, which someone mentioned above, appear in Western works from Aesop to the Decameron.  

Aesop's tales are older actually. In fact, even the Rig Veda was an oral tradition and was not written down (=attested) before 300 BC. I have a number of official sources confirming that. So, in the ancient times, Indian literature did not influence Western.... More like vice versa. The Greeks got to India back in the 4th century BC, not the other way around.
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Originally posted by pdtoler

India has a vast range of literature, from the Vedas on. 

Even if you don't recognize the value of the literature itself, it's impossible to deny its impact on world literature. Stories from the Panchatantra, which someone mentioned above, appear in Western works from Aesop to the Decameron.  Sanskrit plays, particularly Kalidasa's Sakuntala, influenced the Romantic poets. The American Transcendentalists were big fans of Hindu literature.

Good places to start are Michael Coulson's translations of Sanskrit plays and Edward Dimock's translations of Bengali poetry. 




but the question is who actually wrote these literatures? for example Rig Vedas, even though it is considered Indian now was actually written by outsiders (aryans) who probably came from central asia. Even much of the work done in middle ages (Islamic) times were done by outsiders, mostly persians, afghans, central asians (mughals). Even Sanskrit has outside origins, because proto Sanskrit is thought to have been spoken in central asia and afghanistan

I think  OP is asking is there any native Indian literature? to my mind, the true native indian literature would be the sangam Tamil/Dravidian literature, though I am not sure how strong that is


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but the question is who actually wrote these literatures? for example Rig Vedas, even though it is considered Indian now was actually written by outsiders (aryans) who probably came from central asia. Even much of the work done in middle ages (Islamic) times were done by outsiders, mostly persians, afghans, central asians (mughals). Even Sanskrit has outside origins, because proto Sanskrit is thought to have been spoken in central asia and afghanistan

I think  OP is asking is there any native Indian literature? to my mind, the true native indian literature would be the sangam Tamil/Dravidian literature, though I am not sure how strong that is
 
 
If we go by your argument than everything written in English language isn't the part of the native British literature at all as the English language has its origins outside the Britain.Shocked
 
Second The Indian literature means the literature produced on the Indian subcontinent (and in the Republic of India after 1947). It doesn't matter in which language it is written. The works of Ravindranath tagore are the part of Indian literature. They aren't the part of British literature just because he wrote in English. One can say that his works are part of English literature (English as language not as nationality) but one can't say that his works aren't the part of Indian literature. Same can be said for the persian and urdu works written by the Indians like Amir Khusrow, Mirza galib, Iqbal etc And even if for the sack of the argument we accept that Sanskrit isn't indian language, than also the Vedas, Upnishadas, Indian Epics, Sanskrit dramas, puranas, Panchtantra, Hitopdesh, Buddhist and JAin literatures all are still the part of Indian literature as they were written by Indians.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayanagara_literature
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