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    Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 04:58
So say, a Perentie against a Freshwater crocodile of the same length? The Crocodile has the advantage in defence, while the Perentie would be a more powerful attacker. On land though, I'm tempted to say the Perentie would come off best.

If it was a Komodo, things would be a bit more easily settled.
 
Regardless, as is the case most of the time, it depends on prior situation, location and gets the first and last word.
 
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knights that is amazing, gotta give you kudos for your research.
 
I've learned the quality of his research is top notch. Saves me the trouble of doing it myself. Embarrassed
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Apr-2008 at 21:58
For something on the lighter side of these battles...
 
- A swarm of killer bees versus homo erectus beekeeperus.
 
Weaponology:
 Bees - Stinger protuberance intended to maim, sting and kill. High speed aerial attack. Multiple divisions attacking in unison.
 
 Homoerectus Beekeeperus - Noxious sprays, ambush the bees into a safe haven. Defensively a good shielded system via protective garments.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:03
Thanks guys Embarrassed I try...


I think Seko's Homoerectus beekeeperus (if that's referring to a modern apiarist) would easily take down the bees. Their attacks would be futile to the protective garments of erectus, and the noxious spray would be the end of the killer bees!

Ok how about this one:

Mantis Shrimp vs. Coneshell

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:08

The Coneshell would. It has a harpoon that can cause paralysis and can even kill humans.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:10
But the question is, do you know the true power of the Mantis Shrimp? Would you like a brief rundown on its weaponry?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:15

I would like to see an overview. I have heard of Mantis Shrimps breaking through glass, is this true?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:31
It certainly is true about the glass. Mantis Shrimps have been known break out of home aquariums, and give nasty punches to unsuspecting divers who try to touch them!

The 'raptorial' claw of the Mantis shrimp is positioned with ligaments in a similar fashion to an onager or catapult. Because sheer muscle power cannot generate sufficient energy, several tiers of joints are spring loaded and then released. The result is amazing.

There are two types of raptorial claw - spear shaped, which is designed for impaling and stabbing prey, and club shaped, for just bashing the victim.

I've done a lot of reading lately into the nature of the "punch" of the Mantis Shrimp, and it is one of the coolest animals! The claw is released, accelerating over 20 meters per second, and over 10,000 Gs. At such breakneck speeds, a cavitation bubble is formed, due to excessive kinetic energy. In this, the bubble is formed within the huge volume of surrounding water. Heat and Light energy are produced in this bubble again from the kinetic energy, and heat and light are produced (sonoluminescence). The temperature of this minute bubble can reach several thousand degrees celsius. Though almost instantaneously, the mass of water collapses the bubble, creating an ultrasonic 'boom' of sorts.

So not only does the prey get struck/stabbed by the claw itself, but a following shockwave from the collapsing cavitation bubble stuns the prey.

The "Clubbing" Mantis Shrimp specialises in bashing hermit crabs, shells and other shelled/exoskeleton organisms. This is why I suggested it be pitted against the formidable coneshell, which as well as just a defensive shell, has a terribly effective offense.

In terms of defense for the Mantis, its tail is reinforced greatly, as a means of protection from other Mantis Shrimps during mating ritual. They curl the tail in front of them as a form of protection, and one could employ this strategy to a coneshell.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:44
I had the idea that the coneshell could react in double time. Is this true? I guess it comes down to which animal is faster in its attack or if the Mantis Shrimp uses hit and run tactics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:46
Yeh, the Mantis Shrimp is far more agile and fast than the Coneshell, so it has many more tactical options. However if the Cone gets a hit, bye bye Mantis Shrimp! What exactly do you mean by react in double time?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:52

Is the Coneshell fast? Also, is the harpoon retractable?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 05:59
The cone's harpoon is a modification of the radula, which is a weird hybrid of a throat. The harpoon specifically is fired by muscle contractions in the proboscis, and is hollow. Before each firing, it is injected with the neurotoxin venom. When fired, the harpoon strikes prey, and is slowly reeled in for consumption.
So, the actual firing of the harpoon itself is very rapid, but it has to be filled with venom before firing (which is why cones are patience/ambush predators), and is one shot only (because of the very slow retraction time, and the fact that it sticks into the victim generally).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-May-2008 at 03:48

I guess it depends who gets the first punch.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-May-2008 at 03:50

A rhinoceros against a hippopotamus?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2008 at 17:50
Maybe it's too late for the coneshell/mantis shrimp discussion, but I'm not sure anyone asked the obvious question; what is the penetrating power of a cone snail's harpoon?

After all, there's no guarantee it could even break through the mantis shrimp's shell, unless it found a joint, is there?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jun-2008 at 13:05
Originally posted by Leonidas

you know im still not convinced the wolf owns a lynx yet.

 i just read in wiki that the Canadian lynx can prey on the coyote. 
 
That depends on what "preying on the coyote" means. Perhaps they can catch some cubs, or a dying old lone wolf, but taking on a prime coyote, I don't think so. Predators of equal size usually try to avoid each other, and confrontations are largely ritualistic; most animals don't want to fight to death or serious injury for no reason.
 
I'm not saying it never happens, but surely a coyote isn't a "prey item" for the Canadian lynx - any more than lynx is a prey item for the coyote.
 
Ps. Many of those animal vs fights that are on youtube are more or less staged. Especially those from certain old documetaries, that just happened "by chance" to come up upon several highly unusual animal fights, that audiences would like to see - and all in the same "documentary."
 
Just like those old Disney doc's about suicidal lemmings, that were also completely fake.
 
That kind of "documentaries" made in a certain era are just fictional entertainment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2008 at 05:37
How about man vs Mammoth or Sabertooth Tiger ? That I would like to see occur, and if it was possible to take them down back then. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2008 at 05:56
Originally posted by Tyranos

How about man vs Mammoth or Sabertooth Tiger ? That I would like to see occur, and if it was possible to take them down back then. 


Man vs. Sabertooth is JUST possible for the man to win if he has a weapon, or is extremely strong, clever, and has a handy cliff to push the sabertooth off.

man vs. mammoth...

you'd need several men and they'd all have to be armed. Then quite possibly. Best weapons for the job would be spearthrowers. If need be, normal javelins would do.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2008 at 05:31
We've all heard about the Mongoose and the venomous Cobra - the Mongoose is usually to agile and eventually finishes off the snake. However, I've never thought about what would happen between a non-venomous snake and a Mongoose. Would there be much of a different approach on the part of either? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jul-2008 at 06:58
well I wanna bet on chewbacca for the wookies againsts alien Big%20smileClown
 
uhm for real life grey wolf versus jackal or coyote
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