creationism or evolution

Bobxxxx, belittling other people's opinions/world views does nothing to aid your argument. The last thing that the people in this thread who support Evolution and are making arguments for it need is for somebody to come in to the discussion slinging mud as you have done. Comments like: "Face facts, creationists. You're wrong about everything, and you're morons," and "It's not a big deal to be superior to a creationist, because creationists are not much smarter than dogs. In fact, I would say dogs, while not being too smart, are at least not insane like the creationists are. A person really has to be hopelessly sick in the head to be willing to choose magic instead of modern science," do absolutely nothing. If people want to believe that that's their prerogative, if they have looked at the facts and interpreted them so that they see God creating everything you should not be so offended by their opinion. Unless you have something constructive to add to the conversation here please refrain from posting, especially if you are going to call people or groups of people names.

I was watching a program on the Discovery Channel that hypothesized that life originated on this planet after it was bombarded by meteors. The effect of this bombardment was that the Earth suffered what would be equivalent to the radiation of 100s if not 1000s of Atom bombs. Once the Earth's surface and the water on the surface cooled extremophiles started to develop. Extremophiles are bacteria that live in extreme conditions, they have been found in the cooling water of nuclear reactors (where they weren't present before), in temperatures that don't support any other life, and in areas with gases that would kill other life (an example of the last two places would be in and around oceanic volcano vents).

Carpathian Wolf, I see that you like to stir the pot, if you will. Please don't hijack this thread as you have others. I hope you apply what I said in the first paragraph of this post to yourself. You should also note that Bobxxxx did not call you a moron, he called creationists morons and since from what you said in your original post that comment was a swipe at others not you. I do find it amusing that you chastise Bobxxxx for insulting you and then turn around and do the exact same thing at the end of your post. Have you ever heard of take the higher road? If you are in an intellectual discussion with somebody and they call you a name do you punch them in the face? No, you walk away because that person is not worth your time. I believe that is what Christ meant when he said "turn the other cheek." Also just because somebody insults you doesn't mean that you can/should insult them back. If you don't then your position is actually strengthened because you're showing that you actually have evidence on your side.

With that said, I don't believe I've read anything on Evolution that says it deals with where life on earth came from.

Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf Then there is that missing link thing...so yea...nice try again.

What is this supposed to prove? Would you care to fully develop this argument, instead of just writing little one-liners that are idle in their contributions? Scientists find "missing links" every so often. In the study of Human Evolution scientists have found a number of transitional forms.

You should also know that this is not an issue of Atheism vs. Theism since a person can believe in both and not be in personal conflict. Believing in Evolution does not require a person to say there is no God just like believing in God does not require people to say that Evolution does not exist.

"Bobxxxx, belittling other people's opinions/world views does nothing to aid your argument. The last thing that the people in this thread who support Evolution and are making arguments for it need is for somebody to come in to the discussion slinging mud as you have done. Comments like: "Face facts, creationists. You're wrong about everything, and you're morons," and "It's not a big deal to be superior to a creationist, because creationists are not much smarter than dogs. In fact, I would say dogs, while not being too smart, are at least not insane like the creationists are. A person really has to be hopelessly sick in the head to be willing to choose magic instead of modern science," do absolutely nothing. If people want to believe that that's their prerogative, if they have looked at the facts and interpreted them so that they see God creating everything you should not be so offended by their opinion. Unless you have something constructive to add to the conversation here please refrain from posting, especially if you are going to call people or groups of people names."

I stand by everything I said. I said creationists are morons because creationists ARE morons. I said creationists are wrong about everything because they ARE wrong about everything. Every single competent biologist would agree with me. If creationists had any intelligence at all, they wouldn't be creationists. How hard is it to study evolution? Information about evolutionary biology is all over the place. There's tons of evidence described in great detail available to anyone who looks for it. The creationists just ignore it. Why do they ignore it? Because they enjoy their childish everything-is-magic fantasy world.

Don't like being called a dummy? Then for goodness sake study science. Creationists think their total ignorance of science is equal to the knowledge of the entire scientific community. That attitude deserves ridicule. Until creationists stop being lazy and get to work and study science until they understand it, they can expect to be laughed at for the rest of their pathetic wasted lives.

"If people want to believe that that's their prerogative, if they have looked at the facts and interpreted them so that they see God creating everything you should not be so offended by their opinion."

They have not looked at the facts. They have not looked at anything. These people refuse to study science and they refuse to understand science. How can they interpret evidence they refuse to study? How can they interpret evidence they're too bloody stupid to understand? They just say god-did-it like robots because they were trained to be robots.

Offended by their opinion? I'm not offended by their breathtaking stupidity. I laugh at it. Also, I would be happy to completely ignore creationist morons if they had the decency to keep their insanity in their churches. But you know and I know that creationists are constantly trying to stick their childish magic into science education. They are not satisfied with lying to their own children. They want to force biology teachers to lie to everyone else's children.

Creationists who attack America's science education are traitors. They're no better than Muslim terrorists. I don't respect creationists for the same reason I don't respect Muslim terrorists. Christian creationists and Muslim terrorists are enemies of my country, and they deserve to be treated like enemies. It's a fact that creationist traitors are the most bloody stupid people in human history. As long as creationists continue to attack education, I'm not going to be quiet about how hopelessly stupid they are. I'm not going to be nice to traitors who belong in prison.

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The big bang is wrong, according to most evolutionary textbooks everything was compressed into a dot not much smaller than period on this page, and then another textbook says that nothing literally means nothing, so millions of years ago nothing exploded, and if all the matter in the universe was compressed into a dot where did all the matter come from?. If somthing is spinning like the dot in the big bang theory lets it's spinning clockwise and then lets say pieces start off break off the dot, then they will fly off spinning clockwise, I believe thats the law of angular momentum, but there are whole galaxys that are spinning counterclockwise. That seems to have disproved the big bang theory, and without the big bang theory evolution can't happen.           

It says in the Bible that we (people) are capable of understanding miracles. Humans can do this through science. I am neither a creationist or evolutionist. I believe that God created a blue-print of what would happen. God knew that each organism alive today would exist but they were created through evolution, which He molded. So I believe it is neither, but both.

Edited by Darius of Parsa - 04-Aug-2008 at 02:59

Originally posted by Darius of Parsa It says in the Bible that we (people) are capable of understanding miracles. Humans can do this through science. I am neither a creationist or evolutionist. I believe that God created a blue-print of what would happen. God knew that each organism alive today would exist but they were created through evolution, which He molded. So I believe it is neither, but both.

Are you saying that there isn't an evolutionary textbook that deals with the big bang?. And I agree science and Christianty are both compatible. 

Why are they not compatible if they are mixed? and if there are no books that deal with the bang then they have no cause for evolution thus evolution can't happen without a cause.

Then were did life come from?