Aztlan

Originally posted by pinguin Originally posted by Crystall If we look at when Mexico was recognized (1821) to when the land was lost (1848), we see Mexico only had this land for 27 years. You cannot really count time before, because Spain ruled over it. � So we see Aztlan is a fantasy to believe they had ruled this land for hundreds of years in my opinion.. � Well, there is a fact that stand and that those lands belonged legally to�Mexico at the times the American�pioneers started to settled in there. That fact is undeniable, but it�is not different of many�similar events in the Americas and elsewhere.�Since the beginning of the�19th centuries several wars were fought across the hemisphere, and the frontiers moved. I think is unrealistic to prettend now to�move the frontiers back again. � Now, Mexico, a westernized state, inherit those lands that now belong to the U.S.�from the Spanish crown, an European superpower of its time, and not from the Amerindians of the South West. That's a hard fact that contradicts the claims of Aztlan. There was never an Aztlan state to begin with. Even more, Aztec civilization only controlled the central valley of Mexico. � So, I agree with you in that there is a lot of fantasy in the Aztlan movement. � But now, what are the Chicanos and Mexican immigrants in general, really asking for? I bet the answer to that is more simpler: they are looking for equality and being treated like the human beings they are. � The U.S. has lived a long time giving its back to Mexico. Forgetting its neighbour of the south except when produces some problems. I believe it is time to improve the relations with that country and that will help not only Mexico but the U.S. as well. � Come on. Mexico and the U.S. will be neighbours for the foreseable future. The population of the U.S. itself is growing more Mexican day by day. It is common sense to be in good terms between both countries. � The construction of walls and massive deportations don't contribute much to the piece in the U.S., and it is not practical either. Hispanics will flex theirs political muscle in the next election and I could bet the candidates that are though against Mexican immigrants will be surprised. � In fact, what the Aztlan people is against is people like the minutemen. This is theirs enemy and not the American people. � Minutemen pictures: � � � � � � � � � See the adds: � � � � � � � � � � �

These are not pics of the Minute Men! I know and support the group and their President is Mexican by the way. His last name is Garza. I know there are some racists groups that mimic the Minute Men but to get into the organization you have to have a full background check, they do not want people like in the first picture. There are groups who do their best to put the Minute Men in a very bad light. I heard a lady accuse them of shooting 78 innocent immigrant men and women. A bold face lie and if it had happened there would have been a media feast because the mainstream media is not too friendly to the Minute Men.

I have studied California history and when the US took this lands there were about 3-4,000 Mexicans living in what is now the state of California. There were about 160,000 California Indians who were constantly having skirmishes with the Spanairds and later Mexican colonist. Sadly, after the Americans came the population of the California Indians dropped to about 17,000. Prior to the arrival of the Spanish they believe there could have been somewhere between 300-500,000 Californian Indians. Sadly, they were wiped out by disease brought in by the Spanish. I have known Native Americans who also take a stand against illegal aliens. I wonder what La Raza would say to them? I agree that the conquest of Mexican lands was wrong but so was the conquest of Byzantine lands by the Turks. I would never want to see a Greek reconquest so the same goes here.

I welcome immigration to America but we are a nation of laws and it must be done in order but with Bush's plans for the North American Union it would happen.
La Raza and other groups like them are very racists and
I do not believe the majority of Hispanics that are here legally agree with this group or their message of reconquesta and most are strong American patriots. I am sure the same could be said about many illegal immigrants.

Originally posted by pinguin   I wonder why with the Hispanics and Spaniards it wasn't the same

what is hard to understand from our small island is that we activly invite polish to come here,

its been our experience that immigrants when invited and welcomed create wealth, the asians from uganda, invitations to the caribbean, and now eastern europeans.

i pitty the mothers that raised such fools, race is a myth,

i agree totally pinguin, i meant both and all sets, the extreme of anything

the difference between me and my brother on a base level is 0.02 percent.

we are all as smart as our brains allow us, im sure they will succeed, but that is where its good for america, immigrants creating wealth its a marvellous thing.

Originally posted by pinguin   Another fact. In the past people in the Americas received immigrants with a happy face. Today they are seen as a nuisance everywhere.

Edited by Crystall - 11-Dec-2007 at 06:22

I work in the trades, in carpentry. And the contractors I've met don't like the Illegals coming in, both Mexicans and Polish are coming in huge numbers. The Mexicans are hired by Americans and the Polish seem to set up their own business and bring in a bunch of their friends, work for a few years and return home. I believe Mexicans do the same in regard of going home after awhile. The problem is that it's never ending, they keep coming in and with more numbers, and the Contractors trying to stay honest lose out because they can price the numbers of their competitors.