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    Posted: 04-Aug-2008 at 22:29
And Romania is joining the EU? Interesting! Soon the native Romanians will be the discriminated minority like the Coptic people in Egypt.

Muslims invade India by K.L. Lal is a good one to read and talks about the origins of the gypsies.

The native Romanians need to have kids - like the Greeks also need to.
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What do the copts have to do with gypsies? Copts are the wealthiest most powerful group in Egypt, the church is a state of its own and only occasionaly local problems happen that are blown out of proportion by western media. Gypsies on the other hand are considered not second but third class citizens in the Balkans and were the second most affected group by the holocaust after the jews.
 
 Anyway pirates existed since time immemorial (earliest record was the mysterious sea nations preying on shipping in the mediterranean) and have no link with gypsies who are nomadic people who fled india to the middle east, where they still live in large numbers, and then to the balkans.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 05:19
Originally posted by Al Jassas

What do the copts have to do with gypsies? Copts are the wealthiest most powerful group in Egypt, the church is a state of its own and only occasionaly local problems happen that are blown out of proportion by western media.


How is that?

I know that the Copts are the "garbage people" of Cairo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabbaleen




"The number of Copts within Egypt may be very slowly declining due to higher emigration rates caused by harassment and discrimination at the hands of Islamist militants and the Egyptian government. Egyptian Copts have occasionally been on the receiving end of violent acts from Islamic extremist groups. Copts have leveled the accusation that the Egyptian government has sometimes been complicit or uncaring in the face of such incidents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copt

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Well the topic isn't about copts, eaglecap brought for a reason that is still obscure to me. As for the current situation of the copts well, go to Egypt and stop reading internet BS by coptistan crazy people who don't want to believe that copts are a tiny minority with little influence and that even in the general election there wasn't a constituency with copts making even a quarter of the voters. Copts literally have a monopoly on certain trades like gold and jewelry, communications and media (Sawiris brothers are the richest people in Egypt with a net fortune of nearly 15 billion $). They have the best and most productive lands in Egypt (Qana, Asyut and Al-Minya provinces). Their representation in education particularly higher education is quite high. On average the coptic family is much wealthier than its muslims counterpart even if it was poor and the reason is the government keeps a hawks eye on Islamic charities and confiscates much of it but the finances of the coptic church and charities are not monitored. That is why you have up to 4 million muslim egyptians literally living in graveyards but such a thing is rare for copts.
 
Now, does this mean that ther aren't any problems? No, does this means that there are no poor copts, no, ther are and they are many but generally speaking such problems is small compared even with european nations. Most of the problems are localised problems, building a church on government land, rape of a girl or a boy by people from the other sect and all are ordinary crimes dealt with locally but media likes to hype things over. And all these events happen in one place, Upper Egypt or Saeed who are known to be hot tempered and trigger happy, in one day 22 members of a single family were massacred. So Such problems should not be blown out of proportion.
 
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I think the situation of Gypsies in Romania is worse than Copts in Egypt. As for this thread title, I think someone took The Golden Compass too much to heart and even misconstrued some of that!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 14:15
Originally posted by Al Jassas

What do the copts have to do with gypsies? Copts are the wealthiest most powerful group in Egypt, the church is a state of its own and only occasionaly local problems happen that are blown out of proportion by western media. Gypsies on the other hand are considered not second but third class citizens in the Balkans and were the second most affected group by the holocaust after the jews.
i hear pretty bad stuff from Copts with relatives over there, no media beat up. Egypt is not a good place right now. A islamic revolution waiting to happen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 14:35
Hello Leo
 
Again copts have no connection about the topic at hand. Certain Copts abroad are just afraid that their privileges that they have already, immunity of church from state procecution even when criminal conduct is abound and well, kidnapping grown 40 year old converted women and sending them to desert monasteries where nobody will hear from them again, bashing Islam in a 95% muslim country and outright mocking it in plays and on church owned media while people who criticise the church or expose the rampant sexual scandals in it are sent to jail. Egypt will never be ruled by the brotherhood nor there is a remote possibility of any revolution period let alone an Islamic revolution. They failed even to shake up the regime in the 90s when they were strong so how they are going to make a revolution?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 14:40
They both live out of theft and crime. LOLLOL  (Also both are usually uneducated,dirty and hated by others)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 14:43
Originally posted by eaglecap

And Romania is joining the EU? Interesting! Soon the native Romanians will be the discriminated minority like the Coptic people in Egypt.

Muslims invade India by K.L. Lal is a good one to read and talks about the origins of the gypsies.

The native Romanians need to have kids - like the Greeks also need to.
 
Unfortunately almost all european nations need to make more children and stop accepting immigrants,or will soon beacome a minority in their own country.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 14:47
What you say Al-Jassas about Copts may be true, but I think they live with fear for their lifes, as we know in majoritary Muslim countries Christians are often victims of attacks and injustices (Indonesia, Pakistan etc).

You sayed earlier that the Gipsies are the most affected group by the holocaust after the Jews. Is not correct, the Serb holocaust is the second one after the Jewish one, more than 700.000 Serbs have been killed by Ustashi.

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Zagros, is true that most of the Gipsies are poor in Romania (but also the richest people in Romania are from them, Tiriac, Patriciu, Copos, Voiculescu, Sârbu) but there is no discrimination (actualy there is positive discrimination, they are admitted in faculties without participating at competition).

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Unfortunately almost all european nations need to make more children and stop accepting immigrants,or will soon beacome a minority in their own country.
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Luxembourgers have one of the lowest birthrates of any country around, and have had for some time. They're making up for it on a family level with very high adoption rates, particularl
Luxembourgers have one of the lowest birthrates of any country around, and have had for some time. They're making up for it on a family level with very high adoption rates, particularly from Korea, India and Brazil. As far as anyone here is concerned such an adoptee is a Luxembourger.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 16:43
Violence against non-muslim minorities in most, not all of course, Islamic countries are at or below the averages directed against muslims in other countries. Minorities in Islamic countries like it or not have much more rights than muslims in other countries even in europe where they are banning minarates calling them a political symbol, where and by what law I really don't know, while the biggest crosses in the world, and don't say that the cross isn't a political symbol, are found in Islamic countires. Churches are easily build in nearly all Islamic countries but to turn an ordinary warehouse into a prayer hall you go through the unthinkable, sorry man there is no comparison between the state of muslims in Europe and minorities in Islamic countries.
 
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An observatoin about this topic.
 
Seems that every so often we get an influx of patriots from around the world spreading hard headed nationalism. Lately from Bulgaria, Poland and Romania. Used to be from Turks, Greeks, Indians and Gujjars plus the occasional Leonardo and EaglecapWink.
 
The pitch:  immigrants (minorities) are a nuisance.
 
The sale:  The USA should kick out Mexicans. Gypsies and moslems are the root cause of poverty and ill in Romania and Bulgaria. Indians and Gujjars don't mix. Greeks don't like Turks, Albanians or Macedonians. Turks don't like Kurds, Greeks or Christians.
 
Don't we just love it when citizens go whole hog buying into government approved grade A bull? Well, a lot of AE citizens spread such bull so there appears to be merit with this type logic, propaganda and overt prejudicism.
 
The accusation:  So and so people are bad people. Their breath stinks and produce way too many children.
 
The solution:  kick 'em out and keep the disease from spreading.
 
My observations:  get to know yourselves. It ain't pretty. Trivializing human tragedy and differences are detrimental thoughts. We should know better than blaming minorities for our fears. Real world issues are dealt with real world solutions. Not finger pointing when it is convenient or in times of duress. 
 
I still want to know if Pirates and Gypsies are really related?
 
 
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Originally posted by Al Jassas

Violence against non-muslim minorities in most, not all of course, Islamic countries are at or below the averages directed against muslims in other countries. Minorities in Islamic countries like it or not have much more rights than muslims in other countries even in europe where they are banning minarates calling them a political symbol, where and by what law I really don't know, while the biggest crosses in the world, and don't say that the cross isn't a political symbol, are found in Islamic countires. Churches are easily build in nearly all Islamic countries but to turn an ordinary warehouse into a prayer hall you go through the unthinkable, sorry man there is no comparison between the state of muslims in Europe and minorities in Islamic countries.
 
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You forget the some facts.
 
Firstly christian immigrants and minorities aren't beacoming so large in islamic countries,that they can be a danger to local people,their culture and religion.Christian minorities are small,quiet and don't cause problems.They often are beacoming smaller,because of low feritlity rate and immigration.So muslims simply have no reason to be hostile towards them.MUslims in Europe however are way too-many and are beacoming even more.There are millons of them in western Europe and if it continues like that they will beacome majoritie.This means the end of local culture and religion,because those muslims bring their own culture and religion and keep them even if born and grown in a western society.
 
 
Secondly you won't see christians with those kind of posters agains muslims :
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 And a few more churches won't make a difference,because they will still be bery litle,while minarets and mosques in Europe are way too many and we just don't want to see this one day :
 


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Yes i think the Pirat is a  third cousin of this gypsy...

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Or did i have this joke already?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2008 at 20:53
Muslims in europe are less than 5% of the total population yet it seems that many right wing notjob fascists want to make them a problem and deliberatly inflate the so called "Islamic threat" and the BS about "Eurabia". Even with every demographic model there is, they wont be more than 15% of the population by 2050 and here is the catch, they are as liberal as any other european.
 
Illegitimacy rate among them is higher on average than that of Greece or Italy and from 250 thousand muslim girls who go to school in France, only 400 odd wore the Hijab, imagine that, disrupting the legistlative year with a law that affects only 0.3% , or 0.03% I forgot the percentage, of the total school population, now that is extremism my friend.
 
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Originally posted by Al Jassas

Muslims in europe are less than 5% of the total population yet it seems that many right wing notjob fascists want to make them a problem and deliberatly inflate the so called "Islamic threat" and the BS about "Eurabia". Even with every demographic model there is, they wont be more than 15% of the population by 2050 and here is the catch, they are as liberal as any other european.
 
Illegitimacy rate among them is higher on average than that of Greece or Italy and from 250 thousand muslim girls who go to school in France, only 400 odd wore the Hijab, imagine that, disrupting the legistlative year with a law that affects only 0.3% , or 0.03% I forgot the percentage, of the total school population, now that is extremism my friend.
 
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We can see how "liberal" and "peaceful" muslims in Europe are by their posters on different events,such as protests in Belgium and England,which i posted in my previous post.And you probably haven't heard of cases like the one in London a few years ago,when a father and his two sons (who were born in England by the way) killed their sister because she chose to go to University and mary a christian... Such cases aren't unusual and you can read more about them in this site : http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ 
 
 
 
A third of Muslim students back killings
 

Radicalism and support for sharia is strong in British universities

ALMOST a third of British Muslim students believe killing in the name of Islam can be justified, according to a poll.

The study also found that two in five Muslims at university support the incorporation of Islamic sharia codes into British law.

The YouGov poll for the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC) will raise concerns about the extent of campus radicalism. “Significant numbers appear to hold beliefs which contravene democratic values,” said Han-nah Stuart, one of the report’s authors. “These results are deeply embarrassing for those who have said there is no extremism in British universities.”  (As Jassas wrote )

The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis, but Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming.

“There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and nonMuslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

The researchers found that 55% of nonMuslim students thought Islam was incompatible with democracy. Nearly one in 10 had “little respect” for Muslims.

In addition to its poll of 1,400 Muslim and nonMuslim students, the centre visited more than 20 universities to interview students and listen to guest speakers. It found that extremist preachers regularly gave speeches that were inflammatory, homophobic or bordering on antisemitic.

The researchers highlighted Queen Mary college, part of London University, as a campus where radical views were widely held. Last December, a speaker named Abu Mujahid encouraged Muslim students to condemn gays because “Allah hates” homosexuality. In November, Azzam Tamimi, a British-based supporter of Hamas, described Israel as the most “inhumane project in the modern history of humanity”.

James Brandon, deputy director at CSC , said: “Our researchers found a ghettoised mentality among Muslim students at Queen Mary. Also, we found the segregation between Muslim men and women at events more visible at Queen Mary.”

A spokesman for Queen Mary said the university was aware the preachers had visited but did not know the contents of their speeches. “Clearly, we in no way associate ourselves with these views. However, also integral to the spirit of university life is free speech and debate and on occasion speakers will make statements that are deemed offensive.”

In the report, 40% of Muslim students said it was unacceptable for Muslim men and women to associate freely. Homophobia was rife, with 25% saying they had little or no respect for gays. The figure was higher (32%) for male Muslim students. Among nonMuslims, the figure was only 4%.

The research found that a third of Muslim students supported the creation of a world-wide caliphate or Islamic state.

A number of terrorists have been radicalised at British universities. Kafeel Ahmed, who drove a flaming jeep into a building at Glasgow airport last year and died of his burns, is believed to have been radicalised while studying at Anglia Ruskin university, Cambridge.

Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students, condemned the study. “This disgusting report is a reflection of the biases and prejudices of a right-wing think tank – not the views of Muslim students across Britain,” he said. “Only 632 Muslim students were asked vague and misleading questions, and their answers were wilfully misinterpreted.”

Some of the findings amplify previous research. A report by Policy Exchange last year found that 37% of all Muslims aged 16-24 would prefer to live under a sharia system.

Baroness Warwick, chief executive of Universities UK, said: “Violence, or the incitement to violence, has no place on a university campus.”

 


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So what? nearly 50% of the british public agreed without knowing with BNP policies towards muslims even extreme ones. does this mean that 50% of the British public are rascists? Similar numbers of anti-muslims behavious are prevelant in the rest of europe with people justifing even what happened in Srebrenica, just look at the comments in BBC forums, does this mean that all europeans are bloodthirsty or will do it? The number is intra-faith marriages in europe where europeans marry muslim women or live with them is high particularly in the 2nd generation and so on. Only 1st generation muslims have these attitudes and even amongst them it is not prevalent.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2008 at 18:59
Originally posted by Al Jassas

So what? nearly 50% of the british public agreed without knowing with BNP policies towards muslims even extreme ones. does this mean that 50% of the British public are rascists? Similar numbers of anti-muslims behavious are prevelant in the rest of europe with people justifing even what happened in Srebrenica, just look at the comments in BBC forums, does this mean that all europeans are bloodthirsty or will do it? The number is intra-faith marriages in europe where europeans marry muslim women or live with them is high particularly in the 2nd generation and so on. Only 1st generation muslims have these attitudes and even amongst them it is not prevalent.

 

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When you see hundrets of terrorist attacks yearly with thousands of innocent people murdered by people who praise Islam and than you see such people learning in you University or walking on your street with posters like the ones i posted previously,you simply can't stay indifferent.What do you expect?We have to wait for this :
 
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