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    Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 09:43
Europeans, Americans fret over China's rise: survey

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Brussels (AFP) Dec 5, 2007
A majority of Europeans and Americans view China's emergence as a major economic power as a threat, with only the British seeing an opportunity, according to a survey released Wednesday.

Europeans were slightly more worried than Americans with 55 percent concerned about China's rise compared with 51 percent in the US, the results of the survey from the German Marshall Fund found.

That was down slightly from 2006 when 59 percent of both European and American respondents reported feeling threatened by China.

However, the report accompanying the survey said that "the European average is tempered by the extremely bullish sentiment of British respondents" towards China.

Only 34 percent of British respondents said that the Asian giant was a threat, while nearly 60 percent described China as an opportunity.

At the other end of the spectrum, 64 percent of French respondents, 62 percent of Slovaks, 60 percent of Italians, 59 percent of Poles, and 57 percent of Germans reported feeling threatend by China's growing economic role on the world stage.

Pollsters TNS Opinion carried out the survey for the US foundation in September among 1,000 people in six European countries and the United States.

With public concern about China persistently high, US and EU authorities are stepping up pressure on Beijing over trade issues because they consider that the Asian giant benefits from an unlevel playing field.

Both the United States and the EU say that China benefits from an artificially low exchange rate controlled by the state and that their exports run up against unnecessary obstacles as well as copyright violation.

A high-level EU delegation brought those concerns to Beijing last week and a similar US mission is due in the Chinese capital next week.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Europeans_Americans_fret_over_Chinas_rise_survey_999.html
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China is a new and vibrant market, a place for cheap imports and with a riseing middle class much more able to afford our exports, which in britains case have doubled in recent years,
Theres two choices either embrace the rise of china and make use of the benifits, or stand there tutting.
I often wonder if the EU is worth belonging to.
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  Quote longshanks31 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 10:46
my dream of us overtaking germany in my lifetime, is bolstered by this, very good thread starter, im surprised by the german attitude.
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  Quote maqsad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 17:18
The Brits have always had a more global mindset and generally are less xenophobic than most other Europeans or Americans. 
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  Quote longshanks31 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 18:27
china will peak i think, as to when hard to say, id rather a china be led by commerce that what led them in the past.
Its very high on my list of travel plans, fearing any nations progress is a bit sad really, as long as your own county, district or country is not in decline, somebody elses prosperity should not be a cause for alarm.
 
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  Quote Mughal e Azam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 18:37
Thats the thing. You are in decline. The East is rising.
 
They offer the following:
cheap labor
lack of workers rights - sweatshops
 
Especially countries like India or China who have both the capabilities to produce and manufacture the latest technologies for $55.00 less to the consumer; even including shipping.
 
It makes sense for HP to make their state of the art laptops in China. Cheap and good manufacturing.
 
Basically your witnessing what was happening to Europe when they discovered how to reach americas and around africa. Except trade is heading back to the east. and it is nowhere to being complete.


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  Quote Adalwolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 19:16
Bah.

China is a threat. One that should be watched. Once they try to flex their muscles, we need to put them down hard. They need us more than we need them.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 19:33

You are up to your eyeballs in debt to them. I would say its the other way around,

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  Quote Adalwolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 19:54
Ha, we'll never pay it back! The revolution was supported by the elite in the colonies so they wouldn't have to pay back debts to British landowners. You think we'll pay them back? We'll go to war first! 
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  Quote Dolphin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 20:11
You are quite imperialistic today, Adawolf...And as a point in fact, America would neve initiate war with China. Simply impossible.
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  Quote Adalwolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 20:25
Haha, am I?

I'm not so sure we wouldn't. If we feel threated enough, we'll strike. If the Chinese called in their debt, our economy would probably crash, so I doubt we'd let them do that. The cost of the war would probably look more appealing than a depression, and hell, WWII got us out of the Great Depression...
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Alas, the world isn't that simple anymore, Adalwolf.   
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Originally posted by Adalwolf

Bah.

China is a threat. One that should be watched. Once they try to flex their muscles, we need to put them down hard. They need us more than we need them.
 
That's possible to do. You just need to keep the lead in technology and science to prevent Chineses to overpower the U.S. However, with so many Chinese students doing graduate studies in the U.S. it is hard to see how the U.S. could keep the lead in military technology. LOL
 
If China manage to pass from a cheap mass manufacturer to an high tech, high quality manufacturer, then there is really a chance they become a problem for the U.S. However, that's a long process and nobody is certain what's going to happen in the future. If futurologist were always right, Japan should control the world by now, but I don't see that's happening at all Confused
 
 
 
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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 21:44
The giant's power, too much population, is also it's weakness. If the chasm between rich and poor continues in the same rates, if contamination continues in the same rates , then China will have much more problems before it becomes a hyperpower.
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  Quote longshanks31 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 22:02

mughaal, no decline here, that subjects well covered on another thread.

businesses know no boundaries or borders, if you think western companies are not heavily invested in the rise of china you need to change newspapers my friend.

many companies are infact counting on it, the rise of china is a good thing, and the rise of india.

No threats, no re writing of world order, just long overdue economic revival, anybody who sees anymore than that in it, needs to grow a pair.

this isnt about nations falling but nations rising, and in order for one to rise one doesnt have to fall, empires work that way, but economics doesnt.

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  Quote Maharbbal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 22:42
Originally posted by maqsad

The Brits have always had a more global mindset and generally are less xenophobic than most other Europeans or Americans. 

Nonesense, I invite you to prove your point.
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Interestingly due to mistakes in calculating PPP China and India might have risen 40% slower over the previous 20 years
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Originally posted by longshanks31

my dream of us overtaking germany in my lifetime, is bolstered by this, very good thread starter, im surprised by the german attitude.


ha, that will never ever happen! Tongue this is a question of mentality more than anything. Smile
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  Quote Mughal e Azam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 22:58

Who knows what will happen in the future?

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Originally posted by Adalwolf

Ha, we'll never pay it back! The revolution was supported by the elite in the colonies so they wouldn't have to pay back debts to British landowners. You think we'll pay them back? We'll go to war first! 
 
How can a country so in debt manage war? You think if you go to war, they wont drop the dollar?
 
Do you understand you wont find yourself in a post WW2 scenario?
 


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