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    Posted: 28-Feb-2005 at 19:44
It is sometimes said that Septimius Severus was the first "Black Emperor" of Rome. If this was true, then he would be the most powerful African of his time. What do you think of his origins?


Wood painting showing Septimius Severus, his wife, and two sons (one of which was wiped off the painting when the other took power).


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  Quote Laelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 12:14
well there's plenty of people who are called African American who have European features despite there dark skin.  As for the bust well I've seen one of Scipio Africanus done in black marble, does that mean he was black?
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 14:09
what exactly are the sources claiming him as black? just ebcause he originated from Africa doesn't mean he was black, there were Romans living everyhwere in the empire, including Africa.
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  Quote Qnzkid711 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 14:12
http://WWW.roman-emperors.org/sepsev.htm
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  Quote Lannes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 16:34

There has been much debate on this issue.  Though to me, he appears to have distinctly caucasian facial features....

 

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  Quote Imperator Invictus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 22:33
Coins and busts don't reflect actual skin color because the color of the material was not selected based upon the actual skin color. One of the few graphical evidence is that wood carving, which shows that his skin color was darker than his wife and sons'. I think the two main possibilities are Berber and Phoenician.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 13:57
is this wood carving contemporary?
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  Quote Degredado Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 14:09
Did you know that the Egyptian pharao Sesostris conquered all of Europe and settled it with Africans? And that the Colchians and Thracians were all black. Yes indeedy
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  Quote Qnzkid711 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2005 at 21:09
Sesostris is a mythical creation of Egypt to sastify their pride after they met with conquerers like the Persians and Assyrians. They basically wanted to be the big boy of the group.       

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  Quote Berosus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Mar-2005 at 06:40
I heard that Severus was an ethnic Carthaginian, meaning he was more Phoenician than anything else.  His sister didn't speak Latin very well, so the family continued to use Punic most of the time when talking among themselves, even after he became emperor.  It's a good thing Cato ("Delenda Carthago est!") never saw this!
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  Quote Selena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 14:57


Septimius Severus was of African origin.  History is clear on the fact that his family was of North African origin, with some Punic admixture.

At the time, North Africans, Libyans (as he was), were Berbers: that is to say, that they were neither "Caucasians" (Europeans)  nor "Negroids." (Sub-Saharan groups of Africa.)

Berbers are  of a "Mechtoid" type, unique to North Africa. Septimius Severus, by his features and body type was clearly a light-skinned  North African Berber of the mechtoid type.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 16:24
Oh no. I was wondering when this topic would be rediscovered by the afro centrist crowd. He was not black!
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 20:10
Originally posted by Laelius

well there's plenty of people who are called African American who have European features despite there dark skin. 
 
That's because Mulattoes, Quadroons and Octoroons in the U.S. call themselves Black, forgetting they are MOSTLY European
 
Originally posted by Laelius

As for the bust well I've seen one of Scipio Africanus done in black marble, does that mean he was black?
 
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  Quote Penelope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 00:24
Originally posted by Lannes

There has been much debate on this issue.  Though to me, he appears to have distinctly caucasian facial features....

 

 
Just becuase a person may appear to have "distinct features", doesnt mean that the person is caucasian, black, or any other race for that matter. No single race that has EVER existed on Earth, has a "distinct" "look".


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  Quote Leonardo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 05:16
Originally posted by Laelius

well there's plenty of people who are called African American who have European features despite there dark skin.  As for the bust well I've seen one of Scipio Africanus done in black marble, does that mean he was black?
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 05:52

He is my favourite emperor BTW. The first really imperial one.

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  Quote Dolphin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 05:57
Aborigines have a distinct look...
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  Quote Rakasnumberone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 19:58
Ots not that they choose to forget, its that according to the law as stated by the govenment, it doesn't matter. And as recently as 45yrs ago in many places in the South, they could have been killed if the stated that fact publicly.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 21:11
Yes, Septimus Severus, Cleopatra, Gengis Khan, Jesus, Moctezuma, Plato, Beethoven, Eric the Red, Sidartha and Elvis they were all Black Africans.
 
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