Rosetta Stone-Decoding the Demotic Text

You know, now I will talk MYTHS!

Have you noticed that the time is passing really fast? Tic-tac...faster and faster! I am not kidding! There is an apparent acceleration going on! They call it dimensional shift in some alien movies.

We are undergoing such a consciousness drift to a poin when this dimensional shift will become tangible to our perceptions, and we could easily enter the new state of existence.

Amazingly, as we drift to the point of compulsion, driven by ancient as well as modern claims, we forget that we need to see the whole picture and enjoy life for a while. After all that is what Christmas is all about.

Truths will come out! Sooner or later people will start remembering their pasts. It is called the Insight of the Extended Past in the Celestine Prophecy.

The Celestine Prophecy is a story that impells us to observe our culture within its proper historical context. The first half of the past millennium was spent under the thumb of the church; in the second half we became preoccupied with material comfort. Now, at the end of the twentieth century, we've exhausted that preoccupation. We're ready to discover life's ultimate purpose.

"Second Insight: Historical perspective. This point in human history can best be understood by a revisioning of the past millennium. In the early part of the millennium, human consciousness was dominated by beliefs promulgated by the Catholic Church: one's proper place in society, humanity at the center of the universe, and the battle between good and evil. These beliefs gave meaning to life. This domination was challenged during the Renaissance and Reformation. At that time, humanity established a grand project of exploring the world, using the tools of science, with the hope of getting a new answer to the meaning of life. While waiting for that answer to come in, attention turned to increasing material comfort. That project is now at an end--material comfort has been achieved, but we have lost touch with sources of meaning. Moreover, the answers we wanted are now appearing--not necessarily from institutional science, but from a variety of sources."

If we compare our side of the story we turn out to have a pretty much similar things to say. Yet one difference poses as striking! While the western world is enjoying the comforts of materialism, and not rushung about discovering life's ultimate purpose, the "eastern" world performs mirracles.

Life's ultimate purpose is behold, suddenly, upon you. You just have to remove the vail.

Our eastern story has a bit of everything and we still haven't managed to gain such liberty in materialism as the westerners, even though some have. However, the spiritualism has prevailed as a mainstream consciousness over the materialism, despite the various systems that shaped the east.

The whole story, all of this epic chaterring about who's what, and where and when, and who's who's etc. is purely because we do not remember.

The memory of our past is first of all a spiritual journey!

I have looked both from inside and outside and to me it seems that Macedonia gives me the spiritual corridor I need to grow further into light. It has a Sun culture mentality, based on a strong feminine consiousness! The Sun culture has to do with everything, no matter how consious or unconsious we are about it! The Magna Mater cult that has survived today in the Bogorodica (Mother of God) cult in Macedonia, gives me the flame that I need to create the myth and here it goes! Ready to be told!

I have felt the second insight! And I have a memory of my past, as well as my people! I encourage everyone to search for that door in their consciousness and explore their own pasts, or those of their people! That is the only way we dismantle this knot of intermingled histories, and interactions that have created such a mess in the surch for the Truth!

We are here facing this speeding up process of the Earth's transformation into something much better, it would be a shame if we would all stay within our own frame of minds and stick to the irrelevant crumbs of history that has survived Time. The true history is within us, there is a secret book inside everyone's heart and when you find it you'll know what to do!

When I took a ride down the corridor called Macedonia, mirracles occured, unseen, unspoken of, unrecorded. Ancient secrets revealed, not from books but from rocks, and mountains, and lakes and forests, and rivers and the clouds on the blue sky.

I then started searching for evidence, and I found many! You know guys, there is a much better story than this ancient Slavo-Macedonian in store! But I am not gonna tell it to you yet! Not now for sure!

You will slowly slide into it! When the time comes, and the time runs faster and faster...

Merry Christmas Chicagogeorge...

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Petro it's quite obvious how the ancient Macedonians felt (you fail to comment on my quotes for some reason , and I, as a modern day Macedonian (from my mother's side) feel deeply connected to them.

You can see how spiritual the Macedonians were,  and what religion they followed  from the following passages.....(you might want to look the other way yet again). Notice nothing mentioned of the so called "Great Mother" that your two "scientists" claim was mentioned in the Rosetta Stone....

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Edited by chicagogeorge - 27-Dec-2007 at 18:26

First of all Zeus in Greek is Dias......... Not even close to Dues or Deuce or what ever! Plus the Mycenaean Linear B tablets  (1400 B.C) call "Zeus" DI-U-JA....


Why don't you comment on each and every passage that I post. I know it would take a lot of creative journalism on your part

Originally posted by Petro Invictus   I think there is a misconception with the use of the term Greek here as well which is clearly a modern day notion. In reality PIER was a Macedonian King, let me remind you that the Greeks never had kings!

Bravo Petro! You've discovered the difference between Greeks and Macedonians!

Maybe you've seen the recent movie on this guy

"The most valiant are sometimes the most unfortunate. Thus there are triumphant defeats that rival victories. Nor did those four sister victories, the fairest that the sun ever set eyes on - Salamis, Plataea, Mycale, and Sicily - ever dare match all their combined glory against the glory of the annihilation of King Leonidas and his men at the pass of Thermopylae."  - Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592)

"Of those who died at Thermopylai renowned is the fortune, noble the fate: Their grave's an altar, their memorial our mourning, their fate our praise. Such a shroud neither decay nor all-conquering destroy. This sepulcher of brave men has taken the high renown of Hellas for its fellow occupant, as witness Leonidas, Sparta's king who left behind a great memorial of valor, everlasting renown." 'Diodorus Siculus, Books 11-12.37.1'

Btw, your own map shows Pierus as a Greek


As for Orpheus, he was the son of Calliope and either Oeagrus or Apollo. He was the greatest musician and poet of Greek myth, whose songs could charm wild beasts and coax even rocks and trees into movement. He was one of the Argonauts (Greeks) and when the Argo had to pass the island of the Sirens, it was Orpheus' music which prevented the crew from being lured to destruction.



Also, for the terminology here is where Orpheus, Calliope, and  Muse originates. An obviously Greek (as in Macedonia ) and Thracian.

I'm still waiting for your Ancient Slavic evidence Petro




Edited by chicagogeorge - 28-Dec-2007 at 20:29

The Slavic Languages - Page 20

by Roland Sussex, Paul Cubberley -- 2006

The National Question in Yugoslavia: Origins, History, Politics - Page 33

by Ivo Banac -page 33

The History of the Balkan Peninsula: From the Earliest Times to the Present Day - Page 71, and 72

by Ferdinand Schevill- 1922





Here is a Chronology of Slavic movements................

Edited by chicagogeorge - 28-Dec-2007 at 19:24

Back to the Rosetta, I think this is the twentieth book snippet that I posted that refutes in utter certainty the ludicrous theory of our two "scientists" from Skopje. Maybe someone should have told them that the Demotic script was already deciphered, before they went out to make fools of themselves.....

Decoding Egyptian Hieroglyphs: How to Read the Secret Language of the Pharaohs - Page 11,12

by Bridget McDermott - Social Science - 2001

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Your poetry is very nice Petro. Shows me that you are a good language teacher, your knowledge of history on the other hand..................



I mean this is time consuming as I must have downloaded 30 pages from various historical sources disproving the theory that you support.

Maybe you need to be shown that serous work has been done for at least 100 years on the ancient Macedonian dialect, and that this work based on real archealogical evidence cannot be refuted or overturned by the two engineers from the University of Skopje. Especially when they are supposedly deciphering a script that has already been deciphered!

A detailed account of metamorphosis of the Macedonian dialect of the Greek language as provided by this scholarly book from Cambridge University.Published in 2006.





























Edited by chicagogeorge - 29-Dec-2007 at 21:55

By the way what you call Macedonian dialect is the dialect of the Attic or Doric that developed in Macedonia after the 4th century BC. Before this import period, and most probably after it too, the native language of the Macedonians has been as that of the Demotic text in the Rosetta stone!

The Greek used in Macedonia from the 4th century BC, or better say the 5th BC counting the Pella curse tablet, which can be found in a relativelly small number of texts, too small to call it a Macedonian dialect, is actually the Greek used or better say imported by the Macedonian nobility, as the language used for the elite!!!

So instead saying the Macedonian dialect, you can say the dialect of Doric used in Macedonia from 4-5th centuries BC onward!

The Macedonian native langauge was well attested as different from the Greek. After all they were mutually unintelligible! According to both ancient and modern sources!!!

"Macedonian and Greek were mutually unintelligible in the court of Alexander the Great"

- American Philological Institute

The use of Greek in Macedonia was like we use English today!

We used Russian 40 years ago! It was quite normal! But it is not our native langauge! You should know that well!



Edited by Petro Invictus - 30-Dec-2007 at 13:23

Originally posted by Petro Invictus By the way what you call Macedonian dialect

No. It's not me Petro, it's about 100 historians of Macedonian study that call it a dialect.

Originally posted by Petro Invictus  is the dialect of the Attic or Doric that developed in Macedonia after the 4th century BC. Before this import period, and most probably after it too, the native language of the Macedonians has been as that of the Demotic text in the Rosetta stone! The Greek used in Macedonia from the 4th century BC, or better say the 5th BC counting the Pella curse tablet, which can be found in a relativelly small number of texts, too small to call it a Macedonian dialect, is actually the Greek used or better say imported by the Macedonian nobility, as the language used for the elite!!! So instead saying the Macedonian dialect, you can say the dialect of Doric used in Macedonia from 4-5th centuries BC onward! The Macedonian native langauge was well attested as different from the Greek. After all they were mutually unintelligible! According to both ancient and modern sources!!! Prove it! I challenge you! Show me ancient and modern sources PLEASE! "Macedonian and Greek were mutually unintelligible in the court of Alexander the Great" - American Philological Institute ^^ Can you give me the book and page number of that source please...... And Now..........The counter attack! Quote: For what it is worth, the evidence - sparse as it is - suggests that a form of Northwest Greek was spoken in Makedonia, but structural linguistic affiliation does not guarantee intelligibility and it is entirely possible that the Makedonian dialect was as difficult for other dialect speakers to comprehend as the speech of the Aitolian Eurytanes was unintelligible to Thoukydides (3-94.5). [Jonathan Hall, Hellenicity, page 155] __________________ You obviously have no clue on the dialectal differences of the Greek language now do you Even today, I have a lot of difficulty understanding a mountain Cretan, or a Cypriot, or a Pontian. Even my grandparents. On my father's side (both deceased), Kefallonian, and my mother's side Macedonian from Kozani. Now think about the geographic isolation that separated various tribes in Greece. Mountains, valleys, islands....... This allowed ancient Hellenic tribes to develop dialects such as Doric, Aeolic, Ionian...... Hesiod who composed the Theogony in 750 b.c realized that all these tribe were interrelated without question, so well before any so called Hellenization as you believe occurred the Macedonians were considered part of the Hellenic family. Brothers of the Magnesians. [QUOTE] The use of Greek in Macedonia was like we use English today! We used Russian 40 years ago! It was quite normal! But it is not our native langauge! You should know that well!

We are just reciting the same thing over and over again. WITHOUT YOU EVER ANSWERING ANY OF THE FOLLOWING POINTS!


First: Greek WAS NOT the lingua franca of the ancient world until the Macedonians spread it throughout their Empire. Funny that such a proud group would not want to leave even a single trace of their "native" tongue Oh yea I forgot, they somehow were  able to convince all the ancient Greek historians and scribes not to record any of their language for several hundred years, yet when the Ptolemies were on the thrown in Egypt, they found a script that suited their language, and thus they wrote it down........

Will you just answer me these points? Or will you dodge them for the 100th time.

Is that why Macedonians have a GREEK word to describe their own identiy. Mak= Tall/High Dona= Land

Is that why the Macedonians were allowed to celebrate in Pan Hellenic festivals yet NO other non Greek people were allowed to do so? I mean there were plenty of Hellenized Thracians, Illyrians, Lydians and the likes......

Is this why ancient Macedonians worshiped Hellenic Gods, and used Greek words for their calendar which were DIFFERENT than Attic!

Is that why every single region/city that the Macedonians founded were called by a Greek term. Can you name me one  group of people that has ever done this? Russian Empire? No French? No Spanish? No British? No.....



Edited by chicagogeorge - 30-Dec-2007 at 15:21

Greek WAS NOT the lingua franca of the ancient world until the Macedonians spread it throughout their Empire. Funny that such a proud group would not want to leave even a single trace of their "native" tongue

You think so!!!

Greek was used in the ancient world by all the Romans, the Macedonians, Thracians and others:

"Attic Greek persisted until the 4th century BCE, when it is replaced by its similar but more universal offspring, Koine, or "the Common Dialect" (ἡ κοινὴ διάλεκτος). The cultural dominance of the Athenian Empire (WEIRD?) and the later adoption of Attic Greek by king Philip II of Macedon (382-336 BCE), father of the conqueror Alexander the Great, were the two keys that ensured the eventual victory of Attic over other Greek dialects and the spread of its descendant, koine Greek, throughout Alexander's Hellenic empire. The rise of koine is conventionally marked by the accession in 285 BCE of (Greek-speaking) Ptolemy II, who ruled from Alexandria, Egypt and launched the "Alexandrian period", when the city of Alexandria and its expatriate Greek-medium scholars flourished. [3]

In its day, the original range of the spoken Attic dialect included Attica, Euboea, some of the central Cyclades islands, and northern Aegean coastal areas of Thrace (i.e. Chalcidice or, in Greek, Χαλκιδική). The closely related dialect called "Ionian" was spoken along the western and northwestern coasts of Asia Minor (modern Turkey) on the east side of the Aegean Sea. Eventually, literary Attic (and the classic texts written in it) came to be widely studied far beyond its original homeland, first in the Classical civilizations of the Mediterranean (Ancient Rome and the Hellenistic world), and later in the Muslim world, Europe, and wherever European civilization spread to other parts of the world."

So the adoption of a language can only be done if the language is not native!!!

How can we adopt a langauge today if it is a native one!?! The Indians adopted English as and official language and a neautral one for administrative purposes. You cannot say that it was native to them!!!

Moreover, the misconceptions came much later:

"Following the Revolution of 1821 (for more information, see Greek War of Independence), Greece went through a period of artistic and cultural revival. Greeks today tend to regard the years before the Revolution, those of occupation of Greece by the Ottoman Empire, as the 'years of darkness', in which cultural development was perceived to have halted completely. Despite evidence to the contrary particularly in regard of earlier Cretan Greek literature, Greece's revival following the formation of the first Hellenic Republic in 1831 is regarded by a huge majority of Greeks as the earliest rebirth of their nation."

Where are you heading with this nationalism of 4000 years?




Edited by Petro Invictus - 30-Dec-2007 at 15:37