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    Posted: 10-Oct-2008 at 16:23
Originally posted by The Charioteer

"C3c (M48, M77, M86) Typical of Northern Tungusic peoples, Kazakhs, Oirats, Kalmyks, and Outer Mongolians, with a moderate distribution among Southern Tungusic peoples, Inner Mongolians, Buryats, Tuvinians, Kyrgyz, Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Karakalpaks, and Tajiks"

"In human genetics, Haplogroup C3 (M217, P44) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup mainly found in indigenous Mongolians. Haplogroup C3 is the most widespread and frequently occurring branch of the greater Haplogroup C (M130). One particular haplotype within Haplogroup C3 has received a great deal of attention for the possibility that it may represent direct patrilineal descent from Genghis Khan."

"In addition, the C3 haplotypes found among North Eurasian populations appear to belong to a different genealogical branch from the C3 haplotypes found at a low frequency among East and Southeast Asians, which suggests that the marginal presence of C3 among modern East and Southeast Asian populations is not due to recent admixture from Northeast or Central Asia"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C3_%28Y-DNA%29

Its irresponsible to claim majority of modern Korean are of "Mongol heritage" due to the expansion of Mongols in the 13-14th century, the predominance of O2 and O3 and absence of C3c haplotypes in modern Korean population does not support such claim.

C3c is also not found among Chinese and Japanese, which suggests both were not genetically "altered" by Mongol expansion, what makes you think Korean who also lack C3c haplotype is an exception?

to claim "majority of modern day Korean are of Mongol heritage" is simply too far fetched.



You're using wikipedia as a source...

The haplogroup C3 (original C3) found in Korea that occurs at a modal of 15%, originated in North Asia.

The haplogroup C3a found in Japan at a frequency of 3% has more similarities with southern groups of haplogroup C3.

Frequency of haplogroup C3 is higher in northern Chinese than southern Chinese.

It's interesting to know that Koreans possess the original hap. C3 marker found also in Mongolians and Tungusics, while other East Asian groups only possess subclades of hap. C3, such as C3a (Japanese) and C3d (Chinese).
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Originally posted by toothlog



 

http://oniazuma.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/idenshi/

Delves into genetic research which has totally changed notions of who the Japanese are. Overturns Korean claims that the Japanese are descendants of Koreans. Rather, the Japanese are a very diverse people made up of Ainu, Okinawan, Chinese, Korean, and various other genetic sequences.

The Modern Japanese were thought to be a mixture of ancient Jomon and Yayoi Peoples. Recent Genetic Research has proven that the Jomon and Yayoi People themselves were a mixed ethnicity even when they first reached the Japanese Islands.



It's then true that the Japanese are a mixture of Chinese, Korean and Jomon.
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the Japanese by method of Mitochondrial DNA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA
the korean and the Japanese are very simillar...( that is,matrilineal. mother lineage)
( Korean is not south korean. I mean korean who is living southern part of south korea like Pusan or kaya)
korean is more similar with ainu than the Japanese

Y Chromosome father lineage(paternal line)

korean and the Japanese are quite different because of D(Yap+)
most okinawan and Ainu have D(Yap+)


Why is it so similar by the method of mitochondria, and is it very different by the method of the chromosome?
only women came to Japan as Yayoi? I dont think so :p
As for the movement in the group, men was more numerous .

How about Latin America?
How about example of the Pacific Ocean islands?
How about India?

After the 16th century, present Latin American nations were conquered by Spain and Portugal. It is chiefly men that came.
As a result, there are a lot of Y chromosomes of the Caucasian lineage in Latin American nations.
However,The Caucasian origin is few by mitochondria method
most of type is native ppl'

so are polynasia, Guam....
Aryan (one race of Caucasian) invaded India from Central Asia 3000 years or more ago, and the upper layer hierarchy was formed for India.
As a result, there are many patrilineal more than the matrilineal...

accoding to descendant Genghis Khan Research
the Y chromosome goes over the cultural barrier by the occupation of the short term of around 100 and does not spread..
The ruler should be in the top in the society until race's uniting for long long time.

Top management in the ancient society of which the Jomon people fused with Yayoi shows that the Jomon was farther more than Yayoi.
In short, the Jomon people conquered the people village of Yayoi where it had emigrated with high probability
Small number of people comparatively people who made the Jomon people an ancestor were in top management in the society, and people of a lot of yayoi were ruled.
The pattern excluding this is impossible.
 
 
 
 
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^Let me explain.  Female genetics can stay the same but male genetics change due to migration and conquest
 
1) Originally both Korea and Japan was inhabited by Siberian people (Haplogroup C).
 
2) Later, Haplogroup D from Tibet was forced to immigrate to Japan because their ancestors were pushed away from China.
 
3) Southeast Asian people from southern China and Indonesia (rice farmers) migrated to Korea and Japan bringing with them Haplogroup O2b genetic marker.
 
4) Chinese in Yangtze and Yellow River area migrated to Korea and Japan bring with them O3 genetic marker and advanced civilization.  Majority of the O3 markers in Japan belong to O3a5 marker, indicating most of them were Han Chinese.
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Originally posted by feiying

 
 
 
1) Originally both Korea and Japan was inhabited by Siberian people (Haplogroup C).
 
 
 
 
 
However,proto-Siberian remains as largest component of Japanese gene pool.Not the case for Korea peninsula because of later migrations from elsewhere.
 
 
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