Originally posted by es_bih ... No. From 500 to 1550 the world stood still in darkness and barbarism. Then we discovered the noble Greco-Romans who put light where was darkness...

Originally posted by Leonardo ...  Originally posted by Pinguin So, I have to follow what you read?   Amazing.   Why not, if you can learn more

Perspective appeared with the invention of the obscure camera. Only then artists could correct the early proto-perspective techniques in something serious.

Edited by pinguin - 01-Mar-2008 at 17:56

I can't believe how many people are denying the contribution of Islam. The house of Wisdom disagrees with those Eurocentric people.

Or maybe your incapable of making yourself clear.

most of what we call inventions or even discoveries are developments of older knowledge and the older knowledge got it from an even older one.... its something natural from a creature with brain that remembers and learns from past experiences to do that.

some of the above posts arguing about Islamic Scholars developed an older knowledge, well yea and dont forget that the "older" knowlege took it from an even older one ...etc

its a matter of contribution, developing something is a huge contribution to humanity, that wouldn't happen without a wise and rich atmosphere.

Well, gcle, you are from an age of academic integrity where military psyops were not incorporated into elementary education (correct me if I am wrong).

Edited by Zagros - 31-Mar-2008 at 16:33

i was wondering if martin luther was a friend or foe of Copernicus' work.

Originally posted by Julius Augustus one thing the arab did was preserve Greek and Persian knowledge.

Originally posted by pinguin Originally posted by Julius Augustus one thing the arab did was preserve Greek and Persian knowledge.    Indeed. They also spread Indian (indian numbers, zero) and Chinese knowledge (paper) to the West.   But not only that, Arabs and muslim of the Middle Ages, developed new knowledge, particularly in mathematics (advances in algebra, trigonometry), mechanics (wind mill), physics (formulation of optics) but specially medicine (cauterizing, for instance).   Besides, people usually forget that Muslims and Christian (Ortodox and Roman) intellectuals were in close contact during the middle ages, and that wasn't strange that a Greek architect from Bizantium worked between the moors of Spain, or that European Christians ended up counseling in Bagdad. And because those contacts, Europe has a chance to left the Middle Ages behind.   Middle Ages music, for instance, was heavily influenced by Arabs, and many of the most refined custums that changed Europe.

I believe Zheng he needed Arab Sailors because they perfected the compass. by the way, I think the Persians did the same during the time of the Sassanids, a university was established.