Bulgarian origins

This song could very well desrcibe the impression of Slavic population of Balkans about the invasion of nomadic Bulgars.

 

Bulgars in fact were a part of Hunn confederation and Hunns indeed came from China.

 

Or this song could also be about Mongol invasion in the 13th century.  Mongols indeed came from the northern borders of China and crossed Arab lands on their way to Europe.

 

Not to say, that their army had large numbers of Chinese soldiers and Kara-kitai (Chatai/Ghatai) horsemen.

 

 

 

 But let me tell you something..You better find someone else to convince them they are turks or turkic or turannic or anything of the sort...

Why dont you try with the greeks for a change?I am not racist or anything..the jokes about the greeks were not from an ill feeling and apologies to whoever took them seriously...but in this topic I am actually trying to find a rational explanation to a feeling deeply rooted in every single bulgarian-That ,although we are good neighbours, we are not related with the turks!!!

 

It is aslo commonly believed that ancient Bulgars were Turkic, there is enough evidence to prove this. The neo theory about Iranic Bulgars seems to me a little bit too artificial. And even the article in Bulgarian Wikipedia calls it "fantastic."

 

So, all the above seems very natural to me, and I don't need to be a Turk to believe all that.

 

You arguments are: 1) I am a Turk, 2) I am suffering from the communist brainwash.

 

Nothing more substantial?

 

Koleda is a deity from Slavic pantheon, this is the fact. It's also the fact that there were no Bulgarians 700 BC.

 

And it's obvious that the monk just tried to create a decent geneology for Bulgarian rulers based on his knowledge of some ancient history and Slavic pagan pantheon. I already wrote that totally the same techniques were empolyed by other Medieval chronists.

 

For example, Iselandic monk Snorry Sturluson wrote that Odin and Tor were ancient Scandinavian kings who ruled Scandinavians when they fought in Troy.

 

The same thing here, except that instead of Odin and Tor, Bulgarian history-creator writes about Slavic deities Perun and Koled.

 

Let me tell you what I think now. For some reasons you still didn't get it.

 

I am totally convinced that modern Bulgarians are descendants of Ancient Thracians, as well as they are descendants of Slavs and Turkic Bulgars.

 

However, I don't think you need to quote that fantastic list from the Bulgarian monk if you want to prove that. The evidence for that is all around.

 

Why do you base all your argumentation on this fantastic chronicle? I can't understand that.

 

And you can relax, I'm not jelous of your reach and ancient past. I'm totally happy with my Barbaric, short Russian history.

 

P.S.

 

For your information the first references to my Moscow were made in 12 century, but you are right it's nothing compare to the famous and ancient might of the great king Bolg that filled Egyptian pharohs with supernatural horror.   

Why should the Irish put that stuff in their sagas then?! If its true then it automatically means they are not turkic because its too early in time-700BC...How comes Irish sagas coinside with Bilgarian medieval history books?!

 

You want to prove your points based on Irish sagas which again were recorded not earlier than 10 AD with a lot of artificial stuff imported there by other Monks? This is, honestly speaking, anything but not reliable.

 

Check this out

 

 

When using these sources, it is, as always, important to question the impact of the circumstances in which they were produced. Most of the manuscripts were created by Christian monks, who may well have been torn between the desire to record their native culture and their religious hostility to pagan beliefs resulting in some of the gods being euhemerized. Many of the later sources may also have formed part of a propaganda effort designed to create a history for the people of Ireland that could bear comparison with the mythological descent of their British invaders from the founders of Rome that was promulgated by Geoffrey of Monmouth and others. There was also a tendency to rework Irish genealogies to fit into the known schema of Greek or Biblical genealogy.

 

 

Even the Bulgarian song you cited is about the god Koled.

 

 

It's a fact that there was a Slavic God Koled and a Slavic God Perun.

 

It's a fact that Medieval Chronists created fictional geneologies by tracing their kinsmen to ancient nations mentioned by Roman and Greek historians and as a rule put the names of the pagan gods as their ancient rulers.

 

Your Bulgarian chronicle is just another example of this.

 

It's you who need to give at least a little antique evidence about the kings Perun, Koleda and Bolg.

 

But you can't do that, because there is no evidence for that.