Christianizing the Indians.. Good or Bad?

Originally posted by pinguin China was only "conquered" in the 19th century. If Europeans had tried in the 15th, they would have been crushed. They attempted it in Japan but it didn't work...

In 1600, the British were non existent in India. They started gaining upper hand from 1800 onward. Here is a map of the British territories in 1893. Most of the states are still not ruled by British.

http://www.history.upenn.edu/coursepages/hist086/material/schmidt31a.jpg

BTW civilized!?! every culture was civilized in their own way. Some cultures were so dam pompous they though they were the heart of this world and don't understand other cultures less advanced then them. Thus "civilized peoples" took out those who they poison their mind to believe that other less advanced cultures were barbarians.

Originally posted by The Canadian Guy BTW civilized!?! every culture was civilized in their own way. Some cultures were so dam pompous they though they were the heart of this world and don't understand other cultures less advanced then them. Thus "civilized peoples" took out those who they poison their mind to believe that other less advanced cultures were barbarians.

Originally posted by Mixcoatl Originally posted by pinguin Read about the Virgin of Guadaloupe, and you will discover the lady is Indian! She's not, the picture is a copy from a Spanish original. The whole Tonantzin/indigenous connection was invented to ease the conversion. And I have to say that worked pretty well, I'd probably be lynched if I said what I just said in Mexico.

Originally posted by Mixcoatl  The whole Tonantzin/indigenous connection was invented to ease the conversion. And I have to say that worked pretty well, I'd probably be lynched if I said what I just said in Mexico.

Originally posted by pinguin Originally posted by garciaparra22 Originally posted by Mixcoatl  The whole Tonantzin/indigenous connection was invented to ease the conversion. And I have to say that worked pretty well, I'd probably be lynched if I said what I just said in Mexico.     they would call you a "Judas" . An opinion like that could have a punishment worst than just lynching by hunging.... What do you preffer, to have your heart cut by an obsidiane blade so you can feed Mother Earth and keep the Sun moving?.... Or do you preffer to be burn alive so you pay your sins of an infidel, before going to hell? Both experiences were enjoyed once in Mexico

Originally posted by SuN In 1600, the British were non existent in India. They started gaining upper hand from 1800 onward. Here is a map of the British territories in 1893. Most of the states are still not ruled by British. http://www.history.upenn.edu/coursepages/hist086/material/schmidt31a.jpg

Not an accurate statement. The states that you say are not ruled by the British, are ruled by the British. They are vassal states firmly under English control. The English were firmly established in southern & eastern India by 1800, however the Afghans and Maharathas were still serious contenders for the inheritance of the subcontinent. A map of india in 1805 has about 1/3 of it English, 1/3 Maharatha, and about 1/4 Afghan. Although by this time the English were already supporting the Sikhs against the Afghans.

The english succeeded by not fighting a major indian power head on until it had already been substantially weakend, and they arrived at exactly the right time to do it. In the 17th century, the Mughal Empire was able to chase the Portugese from the Indian Ocean. Even if Portugal emptied of troops, there was no way that they could defeat the Mughals on land.

Originally posted by The Canadian Guy Whoever says it is good...i totally disagree with you!!!!!! My ancestors fought the white man since they stepped foot on our soil...and forever we will fight them. Religion is stupid and useless, I hate religion! You all should realize that the priest were brutal to the proud peoples of this land called the Americas. If we would not join their faith...soon after genocide took place. Sorry bud I don't like this poll...it make me feel enraged that some members agree that it was good. It was not good at all. If you were pagan you were converted or killed.

You are right. I will support you.

Originally posted by SuN My statement that in 1600, the British were non existent is correct.

Yes it is. But the British weren't anywhere in 1600. Their colonial activities didn't really start until around 1750.

What you say about this map is true only to some extent because all parts of India had never been ruled by one power earlier. All small states aligned themselves with the major power of the time. Their is a difference between ruling & recognising someone.

No those states were firmly under English rule. There were British military garrisions scattered all over their territory. The British had control over taxation, foriegn policy, and defense. Those states had no military bar ceremonial guards, and were completely dependent upon the Raj.
They were vassal states firmly in the control of the British Empire.

Originally posted by garciaparra22 Originally posted by pinguin Originally posted by Mixcoatl Originally posted by pinguin Read about the Virgin of Guadaloupe, and you will discover the lady is Indian! She's not, the picture is a copy from a Spanish original. The whole Tonantzin/indigenous connection was invented to ease the conversion. And I have to say that worked pretty well, I'd probably be lynched if I said what I just said in Mexico.   She is Indian. It is known that the original Virgin of Guadaloupe came from Spain with Cortes. However, the legend of the aparition of the Virgin to Juan Diego, precisely in the place where there was a temple to Tonantzin change matters.   The Virgen Mexicans venerate is not the Spanish Guadalupe but Guadalupe-Tonantzin! No wonder Juan Diego was declared saint..   Guadalupe-Tonantzin is indian, of at least mestiza. She is a brown Virgin and that's why Mexicans verated her as theirs protector lady.   The Virgin of Guadalupe is considered a Mestiza.

im responding to this above...sorry im new to this forum