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QuoteReplyTopic: Tesla Posted: 12-Nov-2007 at 19:52
Originally posted by es_bih
I know all of that, I am from Bosnia, and even there there are different dialects, Krajina is different from Northern, or Eastern Bosnia, or from Hercegovina. Same for Serbia. Just saying they are all Yugoslav languages coming from a single stem, but have varied local dialects, and a obvious blanket dialect. They are mutually intelligible.
yes of course...thats perheps the reson of why Yugoslavia was formed
For too long I've been parched of thirst and unable to quench it.
Nicola Tesla was an ethnic Serb who lived in Croatia. What are the roots for his last name, it doesnt sound typically Serbian. I always asumed he was Russian.
The origin of Tesla's last name is known and there is no debate upon it. Tesla explains it himself in his autobiography. His (paternal, from mother's it's Mandic) family's last name was Draganic, they're migrants that fled from the Ottoman Turks from the Old Vlach region in modern-day Montenegro, just below the river of Tara. Nikola's recent ancestor asserted his family name Tesla from the tool very akin to the Axe, a thing not unusual for many Serb refugees in those times. Tesla in Serbo-Croat means Adze, a rough tool for woodcutting as Nikola Tesla comes from a woodcutter's family (by not far descent). As such, "Tesla" became a sort-of regional surname, which was typical for clanmen back then - in Lika itself, in the Habsburg Military Frontier to which the Draganics moved.
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
Croatian-Serbian-Bosnian-Montenegrin have a same derivative language, with regional, and sub-regional differences. The proper is Yugoslavian as a term for all, but I would call all four rather dialects of that, but not derivative of each other.
Croatian-Serbian-Bosnian-Montenegrin have a same derivative language, with regional, and sub-regional differences. The proper is Yugoslavian as a term for all, but I would call all four rather dialects of that, but not derivative of each other.
You have made a terrible mistake. It's actually Bosnian-Bunyev-Croatian-Montenegrin-Serbian-Yugoslavian-Zlatibor
Croatian-Serbian-Bosnian-Montenegrin have a same derivative language, with regional, and sub-regional differences. The proper is Yugoslavian as a term for all, but I would call all four rather dialects of that, but not derivative of each other.
You have made a terrible mistake. It's actually Bosnian-Bunyev-Croatian-Montenegrin-Serbian-Yugoslavian-Zlatibor
What's Bunyev, and Zlatibor
Bunyev is the language of the Bynyevatz tiny Catholic people that populates Vojvodina, originally from Bosnia.
Zlatibor is the term used for the language spoken around the mountain of Zlatibor in western and southwestern Serbia (in Sandzak). Because no one really is a determined speaker though, it's more often referred as "Uzice Speech" (Uzice the largest city).
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
Croatian-Serbian-Bosnian-Montenegrin have a same derivative language, with regional, and sub-regional differences. The proper is Yugoslavian as a term for all, but I would call all four rather dialects of that, but not derivative of each other.
You have made a terrible mistake. It's actually Bosnian-Bunyev-Croatian-Montenegrin-Serbian-Yugoslavian-Zlatibor
What's Bunyev, and Zlatibor
Bunyev is the language of the Bynyevatz tiny Catholic people that populates Vojvodina, originally from Bosnia.
Zlatibor is the term used for the language spoken around the mountain of Zlatibor in western and southwestern Serbia (in Sandzak). Because no one really is a determined speaker though, it's more often referred as "Uzice Speech" (Uzice the largest city).
This is all too confusing for me... from now on my native language is Shatrovacki.
Oh, there is one more - I forgot: "Ours language" (natively: Nasinski jezik). It's spoken by The Hillmen (nativel: Goranci) people in Serbia (from The Hills, "Gora", at the south of Kosovo), a Moslem people of Serbian origins, although the greater part of them call it Serbian language.
There, I think I've covered all (except that no one calls it "Yugoslavian" anymore, so slash that). :)
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
Croatian-Serbian-Bosnian-Montenegrin have a same derivative language, with regional, and sub-regional differences. The proper is Yugoslavian as a term for all, but I would call all four rather dialects of that, but not derivative of each other.
You have made a terrible mistake. It's actually Bosnian-Bunyev-Croatian-Montenegrin-Serbian-Yugoslavian-Zlatibor
What's Bunyev, and Zlatibor
Bunyev is the language of the Bynyevatz tiny Catholic people that populates Vojvodina, originally from Bosnia.
Zlatibor is the term used for the language spoken around the mountain of Zlatibor in western and southwestern Serbia (in Sandzak). Because no one really is a determined speaker though, it's more often referred as "Uzice Speech" (Uzice the largest city).
This is all too confusing for me... from now on my native language is Shatrovacki.
Unlike most standard Serbian in Serbia, the Zlatiborian uses Iyekavian speech.
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
Oh, there is one more - I forgot: "Ours language" (natively: Nasinski jezik). It's spoken by The Hillmen (nativel: Goranci) people in Serbia (from The Hills, "Gora", at the south of Kosovo), a Moslem people of Serbian origins, although the greater part of them call it Serbian language.
There, I think I've covered all (except that no one calls it "Yugoslavian" anymore, so slash that). :)
Oh, there is one more - I forgot: "Ours language" (natively: Nasinski jezik). It's spoken by The Hillmen (nativel: Goranci) people in Serbia (from The Hills, "Gora", at the south of Kosovo), a Moslem people of Serbian origins, although the greater part of them call it Serbian language.
There, I think I've covered all (except that no one calls it "Yugoslavian" anymore, so slash that). :)
I do
...you do what?
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
Oh, there is one more - I forgot: "Ours language" (natively: Nasinski jezik). It's spoken by The Hillmen (nativel: Goranci) people in Serbia (from The Hills, "Gora", at the south of Kosovo), a Moslem people of Serbian origins, although the greater part of them call it Serbian language.
There, I think I've covered all (except that no one calls it "Yugoslavian" anymore, so slash that). :)
I do
Well yeah, so do I, but that's just minority and colloquially - you do recognize Bosnian, don't you? These people mostly call their language that way (Croatian, Serbian, Zlatibor, Montenegrin, Bunyev, Zlatibor, Ours). Same manner we could say a lot call it "Serbo-Croatian", and often me too, but it's in the same position.
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
In Transylvania and Banat, everyone has first, last and nick name.If I were Nicolae Draghici Teslaru coming from Croatia to the US, I would have to choose an Americanized name like Nicola Tesla and still be 100% Romanian.Draghici would be tough to pronounce in New York.“Tesla” sounds vocal and it is close enough to Teslaru – the Romanian meaning for “carpenter”.Nickname “Teslaru” means “carpenter” which was the profession of Nicolae’s grandfather.Although hard to accept by some, The Romanian Language was spread to a much larger territory that the country "Romania" we know today.Language survived in high-altitude places all the way to Italy and back to its historic sites of Macedonia.Despite occupational oppressions, The Romanian Language along with its carriers has not changed in 4,000 years.Nicola Tesla was just one of us: a Romanian who survived and opened doors to the future of Earthlings. Croatia, Serbia, Yugoslavia, US, Romania, Hungary, all can we adopt Nicola as our genius brother.
In Transylvania and Banat, everyone has first, last and nick name.If I were Nicolae Draghici Teslaru coming from Croatia to the US, I would have to choose an Americanized name like Nicola Tesla and still be 100% Romanian.Draghici would be tough to pronounce in New York.“Tesla” sounds vocal and it is close enough to Teslaru – the Romanian meaning for “carpenter”.Nickname “Teslaru” means “carpenter” which was the profession of Nicolae’s grandfather.Although hard to accept by some, The Romanian Language was spread to a much larger territory that the country "Romania" we know today.Language survived in high-altitude places all the way to Italy and back to its historic sites of Macedonia.Despite occupational oppressions, The Romanian Language along with its carriers has not changed in 4,000 years.Nicola Tesla was just one of us: a Romanian who survived and opened doors to the future of Earthlings. Croatia, Serbia, Yugoslavia, US, Romania, all can we adopt Nicola as our genius brother.
Nicola Tesla was an Istro-Romanian. His real name was Nicolae Teslea. His father was the Orthodox priest Milutin Teslea. The original name of the family was Draghici (a name common also in Romania) but changed with the nicname "Teslea", which in both Istro-Romanian and Romanian means bass (the carpenter's tool) and in Serbian means nothing. His family was one of carpenters.
He was born in Lica province of Istria peninsula, which was compactly inhabited by Istro-Romanians since 15-16th centuries.
Is time for people arround the world to consider the true ethnic origin of Tesla.
Other famous Romanian inventors which were wrongly disconsidered or wrongly considered are Stefan Odobleja, the true inventor of Cybernetics, Henry Coanda, the inventor of jet reaction.
Hello to all!
Nikola Tesla can't be Istro-Romanian or locally known as "Chichi"
completely different region and culture , Istro-Romanians don't have
anything with the Krajina Serb population they are Morlach-Croat mix
and catholic faith and this is very important in our part of the world.
Lika is different region from Istra peninsula ,different dialect, reglion, influences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika
From mother's side he has origins from eastern Hertzegovina region ,
one of the cradles of modern Serbian nation , surname Tesla is of
Wallachian origin but not Romanian but Aromanian (modern Greece ,
Albania, FYR Macedonia) ,but origin doesn't matter because it was a big
ethnic pot (Serbs, Bulgars ,Albanians, Greeks,Turks, ) from the end of 16th to the 18th century , when migrations stopped all orthodox people in Croatia were Serbs because Serbs were by far most numerous. Judging Nikola Tesla "nationality" by his surname which may give a clue to his very distant ethnic backround is simply ridiculous , Tesla like all orthodox christians in Lika region were and are full fledged Serbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBl8h4wawUY
Serbian Folk from Tesla's Lika, not very Romanian.
Nikola Tesla can't be Istro-Romanian or locally known as "Chichi"
completely different region and culture , Istro-Romanians don't have
anything with the Krajina Serb population they are Morlach-Croat mix
and catholic faith and this is very important in our part of the world.Lika is different region from Istra peninsula ,different dialect, reglion, influences.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika
From mother's side he has origins from eastern Hertzegovina region ,
one of the cradles of modern Serbian nation , surname Tesla is of
Wallachian origin but not Romanian but Aromanian (modern Greece ,
Albania, FYR Macedonia) ,but origin doesn't matter because it was a big
ethnic pot (Serbs, Bulgars ,Albanians, Greeks,Turks, ) from the end of 16th to the 18th century , when migrations stopped all orthodox people in Croatia were Serbs because Serbs were by far most numerous. Judging Nikola Tesla "nationality" by his surname which may give a clue to his very distant ethnic backround is simply ridiculous , Tesla like all orthodox christians in Lika region were and are full fledged Serbs.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBl8h4wawUY Serbian Folk from Tesla's Lika, not very Romanian.
It was a mistake to say he was Istro-Romanian. He was of Vlach origin, the Black Vlachs brought by Ottomans in Croatia.
As I said in later messages in this thread, the historical evidences show that the Orthodox people from Croatia were mainly of Vlach and Greek origin and only in the third place of Serbian origin:
Nikola Tesla can't be Istro-Romanian or locally known as "Chichi"
completely different region and culture , Istro-Romanians don't have
anything with the Krajina Serb population they are Morlach-Croat mix
and catholic faith and this is very important in our part of the world.Lika is different region from Istra peninsula ,different dialect, reglion, influences.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika
From mother's side he has origins from eastern Hertzegovina region ,
one of the cradles of modern Serbian nation , surname Tesla is of
Wallachian origin but not Romanian but Aromanian (modern Greece ,
Albania, FYR Macedonia) ,but origin doesn't matter because it was a big
ethnic pot (Serbs, Bulgars ,Albanians, Greeks,Turks, ) from the end of 16th to the 18th century , when migrations stopped all orthodox people in Croatia were Serbs because Serbs were by far most numerous. Judging Nikola Tesla "nationality" by his surname which may give a clue to his very distant ethnic backround is simply ridiculous , Tesla like all orthodox christians in Lika region were and are full fledged Serbs.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBl8h4wawUY Serbian Folk from Tesla's Lika, not very Romanian.
It was a mistake to say he was Istro-Romanian. He was of Vlach origin, the Black Vlachs brought by Ottomans in Croatia.
As I said in later messages in this thread, the historical evidences show that the Orthodox people from Croatia were mainly of Vlach and Greek origin and only in the third place of Serbian origin:
Also, in another post I said that the family of Nikolas Tesla has names showing rather a Vlach origin, not Serbian:
Father: Milutin Teslea. Formerly, the family of the father was called Draghici.
-Mother: Gica Mandici.
-Sisters: Anghelina, Milica, Marita.
-Brother: Dan
There is no historical evidence at all for your claim , putting Croatian sources in this subject is like putting neo-nazi sources that "only" million Jews were killed in the holocaust.
There is no prove at all how many people have Vlach origins , but for your information there are more domestic catholic Vlachs or in Croatian sources mentioned "good Croatian Vlachs" that are now mixed and well integrated into Croatian nation , Istro-Romanians are the only that survived while MavroVlachs come from the depths of the Balkans and contributed significantly to the local orthodox population. This two Vlachian groups are not to be mixed.
Don't post lies , names of Tesla family are very Slavic, Serbian. I come from this parts and this names are frequent , not just there but in any region with significant Serbian population.
And his mother's name is Georgina "Djuka" Mandich , surname Mandich come from Slavic name Manda.His brother name is not "Dan" but Dane, Dane is short from Danijel ,again used mostly by local Serbs. Names of his sisters Angelina, Milica and Marica are very frequent female Serbian names although today Angelina and Marica are pretty archaic names.
As i said Tesla surname is of Vlach origins but he was a Serbs with some Vlach very distant origins from fathers side ,his mother family comes from Banjani tribe in todays eastern Hertzegovina ,you can trust me a very hardcore Serbian region.
So, in the conclusion , you can't say Nikola Tesla is Romanian or Vlachian at all, i never heard example where distant origin of perhaps 300 to 400 years ago can determine nationality of some "XY" man today ,that is simply rubish, you must take into account ethnic, language and cultural assimilation but also interethnic mixing during those times. Tesla was Serbian and he considered to be Serb and was very ,very proud of it.
As you know,the ancestors of Serbs, Bosnians and Croatians were mainly the Old Balkanic population, the latinized Thracians and Illyrians that in some moments of history adopted the Slavic language.
By adopting the Serbo-Croatian language a Vlach or a Greek were becoming Serb only in the virtue of his Orthodox religion.
What we have to answer is: when was slavicized the population of Lika, of which Tesla originated?
What ethnicity was considered Tesla himself to be?
The article says that
"The presence of Vlachs is established in history, philosophy, novels, decrees or statutes, and place names on genuine original maps. 12 Place names such as Latinski Islam or Grcki Islam or the Vlasko More, as well the existence of former Greek or Eastern rite churches in Croatia testify to the existence and identity of the Vlachs and other Orthodox people in Croatia. Vlachs spoke an old vulgar Latin language and used the Latin script and this is no doubt why only five per cent of Misha Glenny's so-called-Krajina Serbs understood the Cyrillic script, something Glenny incorrectly attributed to an alleged Croatian government policy instead of to their non-Serbian ancestry.
Were Serbs (or rather Croatians, as one would expect) at that time when the Maurovlachs came, 16-17th century, in Lika region or it was depopulated as the article says?
Are there documents that Turks moved also Serbs into Croatia?
If those Orthodox people from Croatia were of Serian origin how comes that in their churches they were using Greek, not Slavonic language and they used Latin, not Cyrilic alphabet?
As for what Telsa considered himself to be, the article says:
And, at his eulogy the famous Mayor of New York City, LaGuardia, born to Italian and Hungarian Jewish parents from Trieste, described Tesla as the son of a Greek clergyman who had been born in Austria-Hungary and graduated from school in Croatia! He would have chosen his words carefully.
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Tesla's father, whose real family name was Draganic had been ordained at what had originally been a Greek Orthodox Church, not a Serbian Orthodox church. If there was any portion of Serbian ethnicity in the Draganic or maternal Mandic line it would have originated several hundred years before his ancestors arrival in Hercegovina.
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In spite of all this however, even Tesla identified himself as a Croat on his arrival at the Castle Garden Immigration office in Manhattan in 1884, even though the Croatian region of his birth was administered from Austria and not directly from Croatia at the time Tesla was living there.
So it seems that seeing Tesla as a Serb is a later construct, a product of Serbian nationalist propaganda.
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